Watch your speed pips!

I wonder when the UK motorists will get really tired of this and start a killing spree on speed camera's like it happened here in the time of the tuf tuf club.

Avg. speed camera's are secured with camera's themselves or motion sensors here, because otherwise they'd be destroyed in no time, people loathe the things here.
 
When will we get cameras that deal with the REAL issues on the road of people drink driving, driving on the phone or simply not paying attention to the road?

Speed isn't the problem.
 
Dabbles said:
When will we get cameras that deal with the REAL issues on the road of people drink driving, driving on the phone or simply not paying attention to the road?
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When someone invents a machine that can automatically enforce it, like we have for speed now.
 
To be honest, if you get done by an average speed camera you can only really blame yourself.
You get plenty of chance to correct your speed after you go through the first one, if you choose not to do that, well, thats your own fault.
 
mrk1@1 said:
The problem is, that this assumes there are enough cameras for coverage, there won't be bar London and a couple of the big cities Birmingham, Notts, Bristol maybe and even then it won't have every route. Given each ANPR camera can cost anywhere from 20-100k plummed in and if the city doesn't have a traffic control centre capable of controlling / managing it add a few million into the mix, uptake will be limited for now.
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Edinburgh has them through out the city and on all the main roads in/out, they are attached to the top of traffic lights in pairs. The M8 also has two sets of ANPR cameras between Edinburgh and Livingston which is only around a 8 mile stretch of motorway I bet they have these all the way to Glasgow but I have never looked out for them on the way through.
 
atpbx said:
To be honest, if you get done by an average speed camera you can only really blame yourself.
You get plenty of chance to correct your speed after you go through the first one, if you choose not to do that, well, thats your own fault.
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Not going to geek out on this too much but with all the complications of traffic maganement and dynamics of how traffic flows through urban areas, these sites will only work well on short stretches in urban areas, through roads, ring roads or motorways. Something which is adequately policed by current systems already costing more in upkeep than generated though revenue.

Example being that a lot of traffic moving into a town is going to a destination and not through it unless, it is a small 1 or 2 route through network.

Setting up the network to capture and store data for every car movement to take its average speed over the entire route, no matter how dispersed and diverse the route is, is not a trivial task.

Doable but the cost benefit just isn't there especially where average speed in a lot of places is under the speed limit anyway due to congestion, lights, crossings, routing etc. You would need cameras on every road entry / exit point, every junction etc etc to make this worth while.

Dangerous Dave said:
Edinburgh has them through out the city and on all the main roads in/out, they are attached to the top of traffic lights in pairs. The M8 also has two sets of ANPR cameras between Edinburgh and Livingston which is only around a 8 mile stretch of motorway I bet they have these all the way to Glasgow but I have never looked out for them on the way through.
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Yep, but see above for extent needed to make it worth while. With the current infratsructure it has limited coverage and cost benefit won't be there to expand at the moment.

It may be rolled out in some places but depends on budgets.
 
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atpbx said:
To be honest, if you get done by an average speed camera you can only really blame yourself.
You get plenty of chance to correct your speed after you go through the first one, if you choose not to do that, well, thats your own fault.
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I don't think you have quite grasped the difference between SPECS and the new system, did you read the OP?
 
I think the most worrying thing about this system is that it is tracking you movement over a whole journey. If these PIPS servers are storing all the locations where your vehicle is travailing surly that must be an invasion of privacy or have I misunderstood the concept of the system?
 
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Wizardskills said:
I think the most worrying thing about this system is that it is totally tracking you movement. If these PIPS servers are storing all the locations where your vehicle is travailing surly that must be an invasion of privacy or have I misunderstood the concept of the system?
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The ability to track would be purely an unintentional side-effect ;)
 
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