Ian Tomlinson unlawfully killed by Pc

I respect the police and even have family members on the force but coppers can be right idiots sometimes.
 
Freakbro said:
How so? I thought that was a good outcome, though very surprised it was reached as usually things like this just get swept under the carpet and the police close ranks.
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A not guilty outcome would have been good because the death would have been viewed as an unfortunate accident where there was no blame. There would be some confidence restored to the police.

The guilty outcome is bad because it shows there was blame. It's not nice to think that the police really were, or are, that heavy handed.

I would have preferred it to have been concluded to be legitimate action that followed with an accidental death.

EDIT - clarified again below, really not clear at all here :p
 
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After seeing the video, good.

The bloke is just walking past with his hands in his pocket and that idiot copper smashes him and pushes him to the floor.

Throw the book at him!
 
Nitefly said:
A not guilty outcome would have been good because the death would have been viewed as an unfortunate accident where there was no blame. There would be some confidence restored to the police.

The guilty outcome is bad because it shows there was blame. It's not nice to think that the police really were, or are, that heavy handed.

I would have preferred it to have been concluded to be legitimate action that followed with an accidental death.
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The video showed the police being "heavy handed". No matter the outcome; what happened would have still happened. I prefer a legitimate outcome.
 
Megahurtz400 said:
The bloke is just walking past with his hands in his pocket and that idiot copper smashes him and pushes him to the floor.
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I know I often go for a stroll in the middle of a riot.

Don't take the **** with riot police, do what you're told, and then they're not able to push you now are they.
 
I think that the jury have come to the correct decision. Now we'll see if they can find a way of not taking this further. ;)
 
Nitefly said:
A not guilty outcome would have been good because the death would have been viewed as an unfortunate accident where there was no blame. There would be some confidence restored to the police.

The guilty outcome is bad because it shows there was blame. It's not nice to think that the police really were, or are, that heavy handed.

I would have preferred it to have been concluded to be legitimate action that followed with an accidental death.

EDIT - clarified again below, really not clear at all here :p
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Surely the truth is better than misplaced trust?
 
The Met are saying he will be "subject to misconduct proceedings".

Seriously? If this was anyone but a copper they would be done for manslaughter, surely.
 
Redman said:
I know I often go for a stroll in the middle of a riot.

Don't take the **** with riot police, do what you're told, and then they're not able to push you now are they.
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That's not particularly fair. Take the Climate Camp thing before the police piled in - we were all walking in/out/around/through them quite happily as they were meters from one of our offices.

It all kicked off when the police rushed in to kettle a group of people who up to then had done absolutely nothing.

Story in the Times (I think, got a copy somewhere) reported that the Police had been found negligent in that case too - using a technique designed for riotous crowds against people who were peacefully protesting.

What bothered me the most about the Tomlinson case is that it appeared that the officer concerned wouldn't even face an internal disciplinary never mind a criminal trial. That ain't right - if somebody dies because of your actions you should be held to account. To be clear, I'm not saying he should necessarily be found guilty (or manslaughter/murder whatever) I'm saying that he should go through due process the same as everyone else. Being a Policeman is a hard job, but it doesn't exonerate you from having laws to follow.

Let's say Tomlinson was a dumbass and was in the wrong place, and acting rather stupidly. I'm not sure that makes it any more legitimate to treat him the way he was treated, does it?
 
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