Ian Tomlinson unlawfully killed by Pc
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I doubt it, but that's not the point. You punch someone in the face, and they die. You didn't intend to kill them - but they died. That's manslaughter.
IMO the guy should be up on manslaughter charges. Whether he's found guilty or not - I'm not sure, I don't know enough about the case. The fact that he seems to have side-stepped a legal process (so far) that applies to *everyone else* is what gets my goat.
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A push? I wouldn't have called it heavy handed. What happened after was circumstantial.. I could argue with the Mrs and have a heart attack afterwards but it doesn’t make her a murderer..
I don't agree with any miss use of authority by the police but given the circumstances and the degree of the events unfolding I think they were right to use force to maintain control.. Our police service needs all the backing it can get, this, and it's only my opinion, only undermines their authority.
I've worked in the city when riots have been going on right on outside our front door. It's not pleasant. Ian Tomlinson knew exactly what he was doing; walking in front of a riot line is like racing over rail crossing with barriers down.
I don't agree with any miss use of authority by the police but given the circumstances and the degree of the events unfolding I think they were right to use force to maintain control.. Our police service needs all the backing it can get, this, and it's only my opinion, only undermines their authority.
I've worked in the city when riots have been going on right on outside our front door. It's not pleasant. Ian Tomlinson knew exactly what he was doing; walking in front of a riot line is like racing over rail crossing with barriers down.
The problem is though that the policeman lied and changed his story several times throughout the inquest.
A select number of protestors went to the marches looking for a fight, but so were select members of the police force. I watched a tv show a few months ago that followed the police and one bloke was smashing people in the face any chance he could get and he said he could do it because he decided it was "reasonable force". Some of them are just power crazy and want things to kick off.
I agree with you to be honest.
That is a separate issue in my opinion.
It's probably worth noting that if this incident hadn't been caught on camera then nothing would have happened whatsoever.
The Met were complicit in attempting to thwart any proper investigation at any and every opportunity (claiming Mr Tomlinson fell, no CCTV in the area, the autopsy fiasco, officers fearing for their lives, etc, etc).
Its sad that a tiny minority of police officers don a uniform in the misguided belief that they can act unlawfully to uphold law and order, and that the vast majority of officers who undoubtedly do a good job and deserve our respect have now had their reputations tarnished by a two-bit thug.
The Met were complicit in attempting to thwart any proper investigation at any and every opportunity (claiming Mr Tomlinson fell, no CCTV in the area, the autopsy fiasco, officers fearing for their lives, etc, etc).
Its sad that a tiny minority of police officers don a uniform in the misguided belief that they can act unlawfully to uphold law and order, and that the vast majority of officers who undoubtedly do a good job and deserve our respect have now had their reputations tarnished by a two-bit thug.
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The CPS being regarded as some form of police protection service is laughable, however that is perhaps another debate.
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.It is also a shame the public never to hear about the malicious complaints made against serving Police Officers.
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The Met Police said Pc Harwood would be subject to a disciplinary hearing.
He should be jailed as whether he meant it or not the man is dead because of his actions.
heres one from notingham :/
watch the *officer* on the right at 00.38.
He should be jailed as whether he meant it or not the man is dead because of his actions.
heres one from notingham :/
watch the *officer* on the right at 00.38.
The video shows it was more than just a push. It was a serious shove, from behind, that sent the man flying to the floor and caused enough trauma to bring on his death.
Maintain control of what? A man walking along, facing the other way, with his hands in his pockets? There was nothing to control, let alone with force. The police service needs backing, sure, but giving it carte blanche to go around assaulting members of the public isn't the way to do it.
It's not at all like that. It wasn't a riot line, it was some officers in a group. They are not in any formation. Ian Tomlinson was walking along, in front of them, in the direction they wanted him to move. What more did they want from him? The officers use of force actually increased the amount of time it took for Tomlinson to get out of the way and just stirred up more anger in the crowds. The officer's actions did not help the situation at all. It was, evidently, the worst possible thing he could have done.
A riot is a really difficult situation for the police, but then it isn't supposed to be an easy job. They are there to keep the peace not to use violence willy nilly because they are all raged up.
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That doesn't sell papers though does it ?
I have been the subject of a malicious complaint, served with disciplinary papers and a related court case had me reamed in the witness box for two hours and warned to calm down by the judge.
My recourse for such a malicious complaint ? Nothing. Goes with the territory. Deal with it.
As for Pc Harwood, his actions were appalling. He and another officer could have taken an arm each and walked him away. There were no justifications for striking him or pushing him.
met police is unreasonable force shocker!
quite why this PC never faced crown court we will never know, oh wait the met covered up what a surprise.
some of the police tactics seen at recent protests clearly verge on unreasonable, you wouldnt get away with what they are doing to members of the public, with convicted prisoners in my job
quite why this PC never faced crown court we will never know, oh wait the met covered up what a surprise.
some of the police tactics seen at recent protests clearly verge on unreasonable, you wouldnt get away with what they are doing to members of the public, with convicted prisoners in my job
tell me about it, in 2001 they removed the prison rules charge of making false allegations against an officer, now an inmate says something, you get suspended for months, investigation says no evidence, your raked over the coals for nothing and no recourse
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Aye, and all HMP staff are bullies, use excessive force, smuggle SIM and drugs in etc don't they ?
