Ian Tomlinson unlawfully killed by Pc

[Danthus]

That doesn't sell papers though does it ?

I have been the subject of a malicious complaint, served with disciplinary papers and a related court case had me reamed in the witness box for two hours and warned to calm down by the judge.

My recourse for such a malicious complaint ? Nothing. Goes with the territory. Deal with it.

But you must have done something.

As for Pc Harwood, his actions were appalling. He and another officer could have taken an arm each and walked him away. There were no justifications for striking him or pushing him.

If you are honest, Police Officers on a Friday night regularly push people away, not with the same force as Pc Harwood did, but it does happen, you are arresting someone then some drunken idiot gets involved and you give him a push and he wanders off.

 

[aspirins]

A push? I wouldn't have called it heavy handed. What happened after was circumstantial.. I could argue with the Mrs and have a heart attack afterwards but it doesn’t make her a murderer..

I don't agree with any miss use of authority by the police but given the circumstances and the degree of the events unfolding I think they were right to use force to maintain control.. Our police service needs all the backing it can get, this, and it's only my opinion, only undermines their authority.

I've worked in the city when riots have been going on right on outside our front door. It's not pleasant. Ian Tomlinson knew exactly what he was doing; walking in front of a riot line is like racing over rail crossing with barriers down.

I agree with this.

 

[MrMoonX]

A push? I wouldn't have called it heavy handed. What happened after was circumstantial.. I could argue with the Mrs and have a heart attack afterwards but it doesn’t make her a murderer..

I don't agree with any miss use of authority by the police but given the circumstances and the degree of the events unfolding I think they were right to use force to maintain control.. Our police service needs all the backing it can get, this, and it's only my opinion, only undermines their authority.

I've worked in the city when riots have been going on right on outside our front door. It's not pleasant. Ian Tomlinson knew exactly what he was doing; walking in front of a riot line is like racing over rail crossing with barriers down.

is this a joke

your saying he deserved to be killed because he was walking in front a line of police?

Its stories like this that clearly show the police need to modernise and kick out the skinhead thugs, especially the met tsg

 

[Danthus]

is this a joke

your saying he deserved to be killed because he was walking in front a line of police?

Its stories like this that clearly show the police need to modernise and stop being a bunch of skinhead thugs, especially the met tsg

Putting your sweeping generalisation to one side, I don't think anyone who is sensible would try and justify the death.

 

[FoxEye]

Ian Tomlinson knew exactly what he was doing; walking in front of a riot line is like racing over rail crossing with barriers down.

Yeah I'm sure he knew exactly what he was doing... so it's suicide, right? He certainly looked like he was itching for a fight, trying to slowly walk home like that, not getting in anyone's way!

Also the footage shows that the PC earlier pushed a TV cameraman to the ground, and was generally "getting stuck in", a bit like the thugs he was no doubt there to contain.

His actions were OTT, and tho I'm sure he didn't intend to kill, the fact is we don't want cops like that in situations where their aggressiveness could get innocent people hurt. And we need to set a good example to the rest of the force, not let things like this become acceptable.

 

[div0]

watch the *officer* on the right at 00.38.

It's hard to see, but isn't he just trying to give the guy a 'dead arm'? I can't comment on whether that is a legitimate police technique or not. But that guy was clearly resisting arrest, which imo is just asking for trouble.

I didn't watch the whole of that video but I don't think I saw anything that looked out of order from the police.

 

[Von Smallhausen]

But you must have done something.

If you are honest, Police Officers on a Friday night regularly push people away, not with the same force as Pc Harwood did, but it does happen, you are arresting someone then some drunken idiot gets involved and you give him a push and he wanders off.

It is sometimes justified though.

If I am trying to deal with someone and his mate is in my face then I can push him away if I feel threatened or he is preventing me doing what I am doing.

Your example happens every day, more so on weekends.

 

[Chris [BEANS]]

I know I often go for a stroll in the middle of a riot.

Don't take the **** with riot police, do what you're told, and then they're not able to push you now are they.

Blimey, a reasonable and sensible response!! Well said.

 

[Von Smallhausen]

is this a joke

your saying he deserved to be killed because he was walking in front a line of police?

Its stories like this that clearly show the police need to modernise and kick out the skinhead thugs, especially the met tsg

Come on MrMoon ........

I have seen a Tornado squad in action. They are hardly hands off when dealing with prison disorder.

 

[Danthus]

It is sometimes justified though.

If I am trying to deal with someone and his mate is in my face then I can push him away if I feel threatened or he is preventing me doing what I am doing.

Your example happens every day, more so on weekends.

You don't need to convince me!

The problem is too many people think "Excuse me young sir, do you mind not interfering with this lawful arrest and be on your way" is as far as you should be allowed to go.!

 

[Amnesia]

Come on MrMoon ........

I have seen a Tornado squad in action. They are hardly hands off when dealing with prison disorder.

But this wasn't criminals what the police were dealing with....it was civillians who you are meant to protect...NOT KILL as much as it may disappoint the officer involved

 

[Von Smallhausen]

But this wasn't criminals what the police were dealing with....it was civillians who you are meant to protect...NOT KILL

So because criminals are inside they should be trampled on arbitrarily ?

And take your generalisation back. Do not liken me or the police service as a whole with Pc Harwood. It is offensive to say the least.

 

[Amnesia]

So because criminals are inside they should be trampled on arbitrarily ?

ha ha did I say that ?

And take your generalisation back. Do not liken me or the police service as a whole with Pc Harwood. It is offensive to say the least.

I didn't do that either lol

 

[MrMoonX]

Come on MrMoon ........

I have seen a Tornado squad in action. They are hardly hands off when dealing with prison disorder.

oh i know tornado attracts the kind of skinhead morons the same as TSG, or rock apes as we refer to them as

oh and for the record i did edit my generalisation above i meant to say that the police should modernise and get rid of the skinhead morons, as is the prison service to some extent.

and no you cannot say that criminals deserve any worse treatment than civilians, as they hold the same human rights

 

[Von Smallhausen]

Ninja edit there Amnesia?

 

[lolwithtim]

Like it has been said, there wasn't any need for that much of a shove on Ian by the PC, and I am happy that the PC hasn't gotten away with it.

 

[i-bert]

The Met Police said Pc Harwood would be subject to a disciplinary hearing.

He should be jailed as whether he meant it or not the man is dead because of his actions.

heres one from notingham :/

watch the *officer* on the right at 00.38.

I agree with the Tomlinson verdict, there was a massive thread about it when it happened, but I don't see anything wrong in the second video. He is punching him in the arm as far as I can see, a method in which the officers are trained when dealing with people resisting arrest.

 

[Amnesia]

Ninja edit there Amnesia?

Yup for some reason it got posted mid sentence....but the post was always going to be what it says.

 

[Cosimo]

Well there we go then, all the Police are bad.

Who said that or is it just you? No they are not. Almost all are good hard working men/women and there are the very few who sully the reputation of the force by their maverick and heavy handed approach to policing. This PC is one of those few and should be dealt with accordingly.

 

[hurfdurf]

I know I often go for a stroll in the middle of a riot.

Don't take the **** with riot police, do what you're told, and then they're not able to push you now are they.

So someone who was doing nothing illegal what so ever was brutally assaulted by a police officer, resulting in his death, but its his fault for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Holy hell GD is the best.

As for Pc Harwood, his actions were appalling. He and another officer could have taken an arm each and walked him away. There were no justifications for striking him or pushing him.

Indeed, PC Hardwood should be charged for murder for his unlawful actions. The Police have to follow the law just like the public do. They do not have free reign to assault someone for legally not complying.

The Police have an awful reputation at the moment, they should be whiter than white, how ever they cover up and lie constantly to protect themselves. Justice is impossible if we cannot trust police forces to tell the truth. From Blair Peach to Ian Tomlinson, there is only one remedy for police officers found to have made false statements: sack them, and in this case, charge them for their crimes.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/apr/12/police-truth-blair-peach-tomlinson