Poll: F.P.T.P or A.V.. This Thursday

FPTP or AV

  • FPTP

    Votes: 319 37.1%

  • AV

    Votes: 359 41.8%

  • Pfft, Will Still End Up Run By Crooks

    Votes: 181 21.1%
  • Total voters
    859
FoxEye said:
I'm feeling super-lazy atm; does anyone want to give a link for the voting online bit? I might actually bother to vote if I don't have to go somewhere to do it.
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Yes, this, how
do I actually go about voting? I've got so wrapped in a) learning about both systems, or, more particularly, about AV and b) spent a couple of weeks assuming that not voting would count as no :o
 
FPTP - I thought the country was meant to be saving money at the moment rather than helping the politician you pick as 17th choice get in :D
 
Tefal said:
No not voting counts as not voting.

the winner is chosen from the people that actually vote.



just like in the last general election only 65% of the eligible people voted, the other 45% are just ignored.

if they said the non voters counted as X then that party/decision would pretty much always win.
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Might want to revise your figures there mate.

Also, winning in the referendum mightn't be as simple as made out... aren't there MPs saying that they'd use a low turnout to attempt to overturn a 'yes' referendum result?
 
Surprised that Cameron is so anti-AV when he would have come second in his party leadership contest without a form of AV...


philip2009 said:
Looks like there's an opinion poll coming out later tonight that will show the No vote at 66% (BBC Young Voters' Question Time) ...
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I hate these 'young soandso' programs - these are now adults, who are able to think clearly enough to be allowed to vote, but somehow can't join in with a normal 'older adult' debate? What is this obsession with mollycoddling people because they are below '[supposedly mature age]', and therefore completely incapable of participating in 'proper' adult life. The slot should have been used for a 'BBC voters question time' if they really wanted that kind of program, why restrict it to hearing younger adults views?
 
Monkeynut said:
It is because David Cameron is a slimy politician who will use AV when it suits him and will oppose it when it suits him.
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It was half and half. The AV section was used by MP's to get down to David Davis and David Cameron. Then it was opened up to all 300,000 members of the Conservative party to select between the two.
 
guyfawkes5 said:
Might want to revise your figures there mate.

Also, winning in the referendum mightn't be as simple as made out... aren't there MPs saying that they'd use a low turnout to attempt to overturn a 'yes' referendum result?
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One of the closest general election campaigns in a generation saw the numbers of voters rise by over 2m people on 2005 to 29.6m. The last election saw a 61.0% turnout compared with 65.1% this time.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8672976.stm
 
paradigm said:
Well yes, with AV you DO get a 2nd vote (of sorts). Being able to stipulate your 2nd preference is a 2nd vote, and so on.
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That's not how it works.

We have AV in Ireland and it works great. Much fairer than FPTP where a lot of peoples votes just get ignored. In the end with AV the person with the greatest popularity overall wins. So even though you might out of principal put a green party guy down as first preference knowing he'll never win your vote can still actually go towards the labour/tory guy that stands a chance. Just because the green party guy gets knocked out in the first round of counting doesn't mean your vote is wasted.
 
badcompany said:
FPTP

AV is for liberal lefty scum.
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FPTP is an 'affront to democracy';

Mr McLeish said:
"The No campaign represents nothing more than the protection of current MPs interests; an outdated belief in the virtues of single-party government; a pretence that this is all too much for the ordinary voter to understand, and a fear of the common-sense interests of the public to achieve a new politics.

"This is simply the desperate attempt of Britain's old political establishment - and in particular the Conservatives - to defend a broken political system. Their arguments are an affront to democracy.

"If this wasn't bad enough they have now resorted to personal attacks, fear and scare tactics and the use of misleading and distorted information."
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http://news.scotsman.com/politics/You-are-an-affront-to.6761481.jp
 
nero120 said:
I'm sure Mr Mcleash is very much smarter than all of us plebs but there are many that disagree with him. Personally, I think any idiot that attacks fptp lacks any respect or understanding for where its got us as a free and fair society. News flash lefties, Av will not bring your Mickey mouse fantasy world any closer to reality.
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I don't think anyone expects AV to usher in utopia. I'm also not sure why you would talk about all the progress made while using FPTP, as though that couldn't have been done under AV.
 
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