Poll: F.P.T.P or A.V.. This Thursday
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OK so AV comes in. This is a worked example of what I mean:
I dont want labour in. I have Lib / Lab / Con / BNP / Green / UKIP / LocLib on my ballot paper. I dont really like BNP, Green, UKIP or LocLib, but I really dont want labour in. So I will do the following :
1 - Con
2 - Lib
3 - UKIP
4 - LocLib
5 - Green
6 - BNP
7 - Labour
Even though I a. Am not a Con supporter and b. do not agree with the policies of those I have ranked above Labour.
It does nothing to curb tactical voting, it will just happen in a different way.
For me if AV did come in I would probably just "plump" anyway and AV or not it still wouldnt make bot all difference since I am in Labour heartland!
Where are you reading that? I dont think it is law that you have to be registered. I might be wrong though, but even if it is law its hardly enforceable.
Really though, seriously, stop asking me if you have or not....how the hell am I to know?!
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I am not sure where the nero120 quote comes from, however with regards to the part that says:
nero120 said:
Seriously needs to do their homework. Here is an extract from the wiki page on Hung Parliaments
Sadly, people like nero120 are deluded in the belief the UK is still a two-party parliamentary system, which it clearly is not. They do not see fact or reason, only their twisted delusions of reality. FPTP works, and worked historically in a two party system.
A bit rich coming from someone who didnt know how an election worked tbh.
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Cowards and idiots attack the person not the point. If you can't argue against the point, don't post. Go back to school
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Oh, hang on, you have changed your mind and are now saying it does work?
Welcome to the NO club
And I thoguht you had me on ignore?
And did you not attack me before? ROFLS
No. You don't vote for anyone you don't want in. You put 1. Con and 2. Lib and then you leave it at that. Or not Con and Lib but whoever you do like. Or if you don't like anyone then I guess you spoil your ballot paper. At the very least you don't put Labour anywhere near your paper as you specifically don't want a vote of yours to get anywhere near them.
Why would you vote like that?
From what you've said, the only parties you're really interested in are Lib and (at a push) Con. So put down:
1:Liberal
2:Conservative
What's "tactical" about that? It's exactly your candidates of choice, in order of preference. If Lib don't get 50% in the first round you vote for Conservative in the second round.
Under FTFP you'd have had to choose between Liberal and Conservative without being able to express any order of preference. Voting Con in this case would be FAR more tactical.
Oh, hang on, you have changed your mind and are now saying it does work?
Welcome to the NO club
And I thoguht you had me on ignore?
And did you not attack me before? ROFLS
This doesn't win over opinion, I would like to say.
He has clearly pointed out that we no longer have a two party system; but by all means continue the trend with ad hominem attacks and deliberate obtuseness.
OK, so I do the above, but miss off labour, thus increasing the chances of my vote counting towards someone else.
How can you just say "no" to it...... that is what people will do! There is no deniying this. To do so would be naieve.
You don't have to put a number next to a party if you dont want to, so from what I understand from your post you actually vote as:
1. Con
2. Lib
The population will not all do, act or think as you do - to claim so is ridiculous.
Because if I dont want labour in, then I vote EVERY party above them so that my vote doesnt get chucked if I plump and they dont come first. Not hard to understand. That one vote could tip the balance in the second or third round causing another party to come above labour, which might not have happened had I not selected any other party as second, third etc.
Naieve. They do it already by doing tactical voting. They will continue to do it because AV allows them to.
Ignorance and self grandeur.
Ignorance to think that people will not do it? I agree.
You are just being ridiculous now. You are failing to acknowledge a real downfall of the system. Just because you dont like it doesnt mean it doesnt exist.
Do you not think political parties wont send thier members a list of how to rank everyone to try and influence the result of 2nd / 3rd / 4th counts..... they will all do it. If you think otherwise then you are very, very naieve.