Poll: F.P.T.P or A.V.. This Thursday

FPTP or AV

  • FPTP

    Votes: 319 37.1%
  • AV

    Votes: 359 41.8%
  • Pfft, Will Still End Up Run By Crooks

    Votes: 181 21.1%

  • Total voters
    859
To be honest your last couple of replies to me constitute nothing but baiting and abuse and are highly irrelevant. I dont have anything else to say to you since I already answered your question, not that it had anyting to do with you.

Grow up, that is nothing like abuse.
 
Your question wasnt directed at me IIRC. If it was then I must have missed it, but I thought you were conversing with RDM.

s.

It was aimed at me and I replied to it, but apparently we are the trolls no him. Not sure how that works mind you.
 
Sorry didn't realise, hard to convey sarcasm some times.



I have no idea what Wheesht is meant to mean so I have no idea if to take this seriously or not.

No you've not to take it seriously it was tongue in cheek; wheesht is Scot's colloquial for 'quiet'.
 
I suppose if AV does get through then X Factor, Britains Got Talent and all those other annoying voting shows will need to switch to an AV based system because apparently it is the only fair system with more than 2 candidates. Funny, those tards actually pay to cast their vote yet I don't hear them all complaining...
 
Who did you vote for Ahleckz if you don't mind me asking?

I'm just about to stand outside and get wet myself :( :D

SAOR ABLA!!! :p

Not at all, I voted for The Scottish Conservatives.
I live in the East End of Glasgow, which means that my vote doesn't carry much weight - It's very Labour here - but I believe voting is important nonetheless.

Met my girlfriends parents for the first time the other week, and we got onto politics. They said "Well, as long as you're voting SNP in the coming weeks that's all that matters". I kept quiet. :p
 
Say I vote for ukip in first round, but in the second round I vote for ld.
In that first round my choice is em images, on the stats my preference is noted as ukip.
My vote is then moved to ld. And again marked against the stats.

So although in each round I have only had 1 vote, I have been marked down on the statistics which are used by all parties as two votes.
Therefore I have more say than someone who has only made one vote.

'is em images' doesnt make any sense

'on the stats' you havent said what the 'stats' are. Are we talking 'the number of times your candiate went to the loo'?

I asked you to show me the stats, you have hinted at what you are adding to the stats, but you have not shown me the stats

You have one vote, which is a token. You give that token to a party of your choice. When your vote becomes irrelievent, ie your party has lost, you take the token back and give it to another party. You never, ever, get a second token, its the same token
 
What do you think stats are? I'm pretty sure you can come up with a better idea than yours or do you know you can not argue against what I have said so instead of going, your right but I think av other points outweigh it, you are making up bs remarks.

You get one token, which is given to one party, that is then marked as a vote. That candidate is then removed due to lack of support. I get my token back and decide if I wish to give it to someone else. Again that vote is marked. I then may get that token back again and give it to someone else. Where again that voted is recorded.

Now how many votes have I had for all rounds? One or three? How many votes are registered on the official statistics,one or three? Yep that's right it's 3, how many votes have I had in each round, yep just one. So you are partially right but you aren't looking at the whole picture.
 
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I suppose if AV does get through then X Factor, Britains Got Talent and all those other annoying voting shows will need to switch to an AV based system because apparently it is the only fair system with more than 2 candidates. Funny, those tards actually pay to cast their vote yet I don't hear them all complaining...

Yeah but they aren't FPTP, they are "milk the general public for as much money as possible by trying to get them to vote multiple times for as many candidates as they like" which I am not sure would work overly well for a political system. :D
 
You have one vote, which is a token. You give that token to a party of your choice. When your vote becomes irrelievent, ie your party has lost, you take the token back and give it to another party. You never, ever, get a second token, its the same token

This is one of those things that comes very much down to personal perception. Some will see that as having more than one vote (which is effectively the point of AV) and then will decide accordingly if that is a good or a bad thing.
 
Even compulsary voting wouldn't make a difference, you would have to force people to rank all candidates (I think Australia does this? Could be wrong) which I would also be against.
Yep they do, compulsory full preference voting.

RDM said:
Under AV you can still get a winner with just 30% of the vote, it just can't be 30% of the final round. AV does not stop pluralities winning so it isn't really an advantage of AV.
30% of the total cast votes possibly, but by definition not 30% of the applicable votes in the final round.
 
I suppose if AV does get through then X Factor, Britains Got Talent and all those other annoying voting shows will need to switch to an AV based system because apparently it is the only fair system with more than 2 candidates. Funny, those tards actually pay to cast their vote yet I don't hear them all complaining...
X-Factor et al is Runoff Voting, as opposed to Instant Runoff Voting which is AV, so they're actually pretty much there already.
 
This is one of those things that comes very much down to personal perception. Some will see that as having more than one vote (which is effectively the point of AV) and then will decide accordingly if that is a good or a bad thing.

Oh nice circular logic there RDM. You are doing exactly what Bible Bashing Believers do.

How do you know god exists? Because it says so in the bible
How do you know it to be true? Because it says so in the bible
Why do you believe in the bible? Because it says so in the bible

You are so far delluded you can not answer a simple quesiton

1) What are the stats you are talking about. You mentioned stats. What stats are you talking about. Ok, its subjective, what subjective stats are you talking about.
 
I suppose if AV does get through then X Factor, Britains Got Talent and all those other annoying voting shows will need to switch to an AV based system because apparently it is the only fair system with more than 2 candidates. Funny, those tards actually pay to cast their vote yet I don't hear them all complaining...

You can vote for more than one candidate in that example though, so it isn't FPTP either.
 
Yep they do, compulsory full preference voting.

Not a fan to be honest, I see voting as expressing my support for a party so there is no way I would like to have to show any sort of support for parties such as the Greens, Socialist Worker Party, BNP or English Democrats.

30% of the total cast votes possibly, but by definition not 30% of the applicable votes in the final round.

Again, I am really struggling to see why this actually makes any real difference. It would be the same number of actual votes that gave them a seat after all.
 
Erm thats what i am asking you. What stats are you talking about. You could be talking about anything, i don't know. You need to define it.

Perhaps you know the stats for voting, you know th ones published after every election ( seeing as that's what we are talking about), the ones like after to day will have something along the lines of 40% - no, 42% yes, 18% spoiled.

Or maybe a better example is your math based example with the two massive assumptions.
 
Perhaps you know the stats for voting, you know th ones published after every election ( seeing as that's what we are talking about), the ones like after to day will have something along the lines of 40% - no, 42% yes, 18% spoiled.

So you believe there will be more than 100% votes in AV?
Show me a worked table example. Show me an example of these stats using dummy data
 
So you believe there will be more than 100% votes in AV?

In each round, of course not.

Other the course of all rounds of course there is as I can choose and back multiple parties and as such this will show on the stats.

Dummy sample would be your example. If you count the votes up from each round do you have 100% or something closer to 500%
 
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