What happen after death ?

[Emlyn_Dewar]

.. i'll wait till all the people who've had a drink and think they are funny have finished posting ...

Just to clarify.
You go in the ground, decompose. OR, you get cremated.
Nothing else happens.

The magical fairy land is reserved for those of religion, Hollywood movies or books.

 

[Biohazard]

The lights go out..

 

[Biohazard]

Simple answer: The switch is flicked. Everything stops firing. Nothing else happens. Nothing else matters. All gone, done. Game over.

You cease to exist. The End.

You aren't floating off into some other existence as yourself or continuing your "journey". You END, and won't experience a single further thing.

You simply cannot make that last statement and carry it off as fact.

 

[Emlyn_Dewar]

The lights go out..

Only if on motion sensor or if they get turned off by someone else.
You're in no position to be flicking the light switch once it happens.

 

[Pestilence]

You simply cannot make that last statement and carry it off as fact.

The entire post is, naturally, "my opinion", as could only be expected in such a loaded question as the topic.

 

[bhavv]

Interesting then that Robert Shulman said: "You can think of consciousness not as a property of the brain, but of the person."

in his paper cited below, he says that conciousness needs massive amounts of brain energy, yet the amount of energy used to do tasks when reacting to stimuli is minute in comparison.

So when the body dies, what happens to all this energy that supports conciousness?

I have no idea, Dr Shulman has no idea, generations of philosophers have no idea, yet you are so absolutely sure that the energy doesn't change or transform into another state, it simply ceases, which seems to be against the laws of energy conservation, why?

http://www.physorg.com/news164337334.html

Because philosophy and silly opinions like Dr Shulman's are purely daft thats why.

The massive amount of brain energy required for consciousness is, believe it or not, created by a working brain. When the brain stops working, the energy disappears, just like pulling the plug out of your PC.

You said in another post that the PC still has 'potential energy'. But that isnt the case with the brain, because after it is dead it is no longer working, hence it cannot reform your consciousness.

A dead brain would be more comparable to a dead CPU. Once dead, they do not contain, or at least make use of energy anymore, and the power / consciousness that they once provided is completely gone / destroyed.

If you want to research or learn about consciousness, then I would strongly suggest that you study Neuroscience instead and learn about how the brain and its nervous functions and impulses actually work.

Heres a book that I strongly suggest you pick up and read:

http://mitpress.mit.edu/catalog/item/default.asp?tid=8595&ttype=2

 

[Rameses]

As 2pac once sang, it's check out time.

 

[Spook187]

Simple answer: The switch is flicked. Everything stops firing. Nothing else happens. Nothing else matters. All gone, done. Game over.

You cease to exist. The End.

You aren't floating off into some other existence as yourself or continuing your "journey". You END, and won't experience a single further thing.

correct,i find it a bit weird that these people who get their head frozen by cryonics hope to one day come back

You have had your day its the end,whats the old saying its not the dead you should be worried about its the living

 

[Pestilence]

Because philosophy and silly opinions like Dr Shulman's are purely daft thats why.

The massive amount of brain energy required for consciousness is, believe it or not, created by a working brain. When the brain stops working, the energy disappears, just like pulling the plug out of your PC.

You said in another post that the PC still has 'potential energy'. But that isnt the case with the brain, because after it is dead it is no longer working, hence it cannot reform your consciousness.

A dead brain would be more comparable to a dead CPU. Once dead, they do not contain, or at least make use of energy anymore, and the power / consciousness that they once provided is completely gone / destroyed.

If you want to research or learn about consciousness, then I would strongly suggest that you study Neuroscience instead and learn about how the brain and its nervous functions and impulses actually work.

Heres a book that I strongly suggest you pick up and read:

http://mitpress.mit.edu/catalog/item/default.asp?tid=8595&ttype=2

Something very similar crossed my mind. People who believe in an afterlife or the "what happens to the energy?" theory confuse me slightly as, if you consider the PC (or other piece of electrical technology) activity, consider the brain as a CPU or even RAM. When abruptly switched off, NOTHING is retained in those parts. The energy dissipates. What they once held is gone. When your CPU fries on you mid-operation it doesn't fly off into computer-heaven to continue maxing Crysis at 114494383x2813293303. It's dead. Unusable. Binned.

Like you.

 

[bhavv]

Something very similar crossed my mind. People who believe in an afterlife or the "what happens to the energy?" theory confuse me slightly as, if you consider the PC (or other piece of electrical technology) activity, consider the brain as a CPU or even RAM. When abruptly switched off, NOTHING is retained in those parts. The energy dissipates. What they once held is gone. When your CPU fries on you mid-operation it doesn't fly off into computer-heaven to continue maxing Crysis at 114494383x2813293303. It's dead. Unusable. Binned.

Like you.

Exactly. When your brain dies, ALL information stored within is gone. Thats your entire consciousness, all your memories, and your personality. Everything you sense, feel and think everyday is stored and comes from your brain. Once its dead, so is your consciousness. There is absolutely no alternative rationally or logically valid theory that any information or consciousness stored in the brain can survive after its death. Any such claim is a pseudoscience.

I know what this thread is turning into ,in b4 rainmaker and castiel.

+1. Indeed.

 

[Spook187]

You will allways get the religious nut jobs who think the angels are waitng at the gates of heaven for you with a new tax code for god to hand over.

 

[Spook187]

Exactly. When your brain dies, ALL information stored within is gone. Thats your entire consciousness, all your memories, and your personality. Everything you sense, feel and think everyday is stored and comes from your brain. Once its dead, so is your consciousness. There is absolutely no alternative rationally or logically valid theory that any information or consciousness stored in the brain can survive after its death. Any such claim is a pseudoscience.

Then their answer will be,oh it dosnt matter because i have a soul that will lead me to the next world with all the love and knowledge i have gained

 

[bhavv]

Then their answer will be,oh it dosnt matter because i have a soul that will lead me to the next world with all the love and knowledge i have gained

Indeed, and before that happens I will link to this page:

http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/pseudo.html

Generally speaking, the aim of pseudoscience is to rationalize strongly held beliefs, rather than to investigate or to test alternative possibilities. Pseudoscience specializes in jumping to "congenial conclusions," grinding ideological axes, appealing to preconceived ideas and to widespread misunderstandings.

Which is pretty much all that the you know who posters keep on posting, with bogus references to random people with a Dr in front of their name who agree with whatever they are saying.

There is absolutely no valid scientific support for consciousness surviving after death, it is completely ridiculous to try and use science in anyway to support any kind of an idea of an afterlife.

You aren't floating off into some other existence as yourself or continuing your "journey". You END, and won't experience a single further thing.

You simply cannot make that last statement and carry it off as fact.

Actually yes you can. Brain impulses are detectable in a functional brain, and so is their complete absence in a dead brain. Human cognition cannot be formed, nor exist without a working human brain. Unless you have any evidence to prove otherwise, which you cant have.

The only people who cannot accept this as a fact are people with incorrect supernatural beliefs.

 

[Pestilence]

There is absolutely no valid scientific support for consciousness surviving after death, it is completely ridiculous to try and use science in anyway to support any kind of an idea of an afterlife.

The day that a fully reputable scientific report on that is presented is the day that my world is officially rocked.

It hasn't happened yet.

 

[Spook187]

Indeed, and before that happens I will link to this page:

http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/pseudo.html



Which is pretty much all that the you know who posters keep on posting, with bogus references to random people with a Dr in front of their name who agree with whatever they are saying.

There is absolutely no valid scientific support for consciousness surviving after death, it is completely ridiculous to try and use science in anyway to support any kind of an idea of an afterlife.

A bizzare read that bhavv but interesting

 

[Dickyb0b]

you're energy moves on for a better cause is what i believe in.

 

[Spook187]

you're energy moves on for a better cause is what i believe in.

How does it,your dead,are you in the matrix

 

[Pestilence]

How does it,your dead,are you in the matrix

Well, it is, and isn't. Depending on your outlook.

Like any energy, it must be expended in some way. Ours, for example, being electrical is most likely grounded via the nearest source. Whichever way that manifests later on I can't say. "Worm food" seems most appropriate.

So yeah, you are doing good. Keeping the Earth's ecosystem alive.

 

[Dickyb0b]

not pysically, emotionally you're pesonaility soul what you want to call it is going to be used for something else, to its like the sun makes food right , we eat that food which is coverted to energy , that energy is not just how long you can go at work or something , its energy building up thats released when you die, i am pritty sure of this and there is a reason for it.

 

[bhavv]

you're energy moves on for a better cause is what i believe in.

Well, that can be true, if you consider decomposition and recycling of the bodies energy back into the ecosystem to be a better cause

not pysically, emotionally you're pesonaility soul what you want to call it is going to be used for something else, to its like the sun makes food right , we eat that food which is coverted to energy , that energy is not just how long you can go at work or something , its energy building up thats released when you die, i am pritty sure of this and there is a reason for it.

Scientific evidence for that please? The personality and soul are not forms of detectable energy, all the energy that an organic body does contain decomposes and recycles back into the ecosystem.