Youve not understood his point. If "Others" go....so does the Self. What is left then is ambiguous though Buddhism probably has something to say about it.
probably better to discuss it on a philosophy forum rather than ocuk GD
What if consciousness is just one observer?
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Youve not understood his point. If "Others" go....so does the Self. What is left then is ambiguous though Buddhism probably has something to say about it.
probably better to discuss it on a philosophy forum rather than ocuk GD
^^ he was right though...
Subjective = 1 (thought im not sure can call it 1 because that implies more than 1 is possible ie 1,2,3,4 and that concept of more than 1 doesnt exist in the world of the subjective)
objective = 10000000000000 ( a v large number)
Subjective = 1 (thought im not sure can call it 1 because that implies more than 1 is possible ie 1,2,3,4 and that concept of more than 1 doesnt exist in the world of the subjective)
objective = 10000000000000 ( a v large number)
Im not sure why this is getting some odd responses, let me try to explain a bit better what i meant.
Currently we think everyone's consciousness is separate and unique, i have mine and you have yours, science might say we're each individual observers in the universe, that stream of awareness that is the real you is the observer, im not talking about your personality, thoughts and feelings, that can be considered unique and appears over time.
If you stripped yourself of that extra stuff, all you might have is the conscious observer with no memory or experience, now what if there is actually only one observer in existence and it's just split up or observing everything in sequence, maybe in a timeless sense, if this were true what would it mean for us on a personal level and for the world as a whole?
Currently we think everyone's consciousness is separate and unique, i have mine and you have yours, science might say we're each individual observers in the universe, that stream of awareness that is the real you is the observer, im not talking about your personality, thoughts and feelings, that can be considered unique and appears over time.
If you stripped yourself of that extra stuff, all you might have is the conscious observer with no memory or experience, now what if there is actually only one observer in existence and it's just split up or observing everything in sequence, maybe in a timeless sense, if this were true what would it mean for us on a personal level and for the world as a whole?
If we've stripped ourselves of our individuality it won't make sod all difference for us on a personal level as we would no longer be persons, we'd just be empty shells with no thoughts or views on the matter that this "observer" utilises for his own Universal exploration needs.
If you're talking about how it would affect us if we hadn't had all the individual stuff stripped out (assuming you had some awesome proof that we were just all extensions of this one observer chap) then I think it would probably destroy us.
It would take away any meaning that we'd found for our existence (as we would all just be here in order to experience the Universe for someone else).
P.S: I don't really understand what you mean by "one observer". It sounds like you're talking about some super dooper entity that can manifest itself as EVERYTHING/EVERYONE in order to experience all aspects of the Universe.
I was just trying to explain what i meant about the observer, if you stripped a person of his memories and personality it would just be the conscious observer left.
A more simple way to put it is to think of consciousness as a person and there's actually only one person in existence but they end up being reincarnated to every other person and animal, different in personality and experiences but still the same consciousness, they would experience all the good and bad the universe has to offer.
My question is what would happen if science proved it without a doubt, how would you feel and what changes might the world go through with this realization?
Why should that be the case because it is you, just in another time and place, you will experience my life as well as everyone else's, each with their own experiences, you would know that if you hurt someone you would only be hurting yourself in another life, the observer is you.
A more simple way to put it is to think of consciousness as a person and there's actually only one person in existence but they end up being reincarnated to every other person and animal, different in personality and experiences but still the same consciousness, they would experience all the good and bad the universe has to offer.
My question is what would happen if science proved it without a doubt, how would you feel and what changes might the world go through with this realization?
Why should that be the case because it is you, just in another time and place, you will experience my life as well as everyone else's, each with their own experiences, you would know that if you hurt someone you would only be hurting yourself in another life, the observer is you.
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Lol, i walked into an Oxfam the other day, and the guys working there were having a geek fest argument that went something like:
'How do I know you exist and i am not just imagining you'
'If you are imagining me, then you are imagining everything i do, and dude there is some messed up **** there. You messed be seriously messed up.'
Proved that we're all the same conciousness? I still don't really get the idea of a single conciousness and that we're all the same thing experiencing different things at the same time.
If we are all one and the same but we have no experiences or memories past our own, then what's the point?
Is there some central database/hive mind that collects each observers memories and says "Right, that's all of Earth and Humanity experienced, tick, next planet."
I change my mind then, if science proved this it would make sod all difference to us on a personal level.
Ok, so science has proven we're part of a single conciousness and we're all experiencing everything at the same time BUT we have no knowledge of or interaction with these other experiences/memories... so what difference does it make?
Also this bit confused me:
This makes even less sense (to me) than the hive mind bit above. If PersonA (who is the only person in existence) dies and comes back as EVERYTHING in order to experience EVERTHING, then again, what's the point. He's no longer PersonA, he's EVERYTHING, so EVERYTHING's experiences belong to each part of EVERYTHING not to PersonA, because EVERYTHING can't interact with the other experiences.
If they could, then it could be argued that PersonA still exists, as he does in fact have access to EVERYTHING, but then we're back to a hive mind kind of thing.
I find the brain in a vat philosophy easier to fathom than this.
The term comes from Latin solus (alone) and ipse (self).
There is no Self in Radiation's proposition.
Solipsism is a philosophical egocentric position
Its possible the world is something like solipsism though....
On a personal level to come to that realization it would be like realizing we are Neo
You should think of a script or develop the concept and send to Christopher Nolan
