Is the bible still relevant today?

[Pav89]

Yes, I believe that the bible is still relevant today. The bible provides the 10 commandments to follow. You may argue that 'well, we have various laws in place, follow them'. But there are still things that the Bible portrays as wrong that laws do not cover, like promiscuity.

Under those 10 commandments, as someone previously stated in another thread which turned into lolreligion, the bible provides information as to how we approach actions in our life as well as motivation and being grateful for what we have, making the most of it and helping one another.

 

[bhavv]

Can you back up this claim that most average Christians are opposed to Evolution - not even strongly opposed, just that they're opposed? I'm not talking about Christian fundamentalists but the average Christians that you refer to.

Stuff like this:

The anti evolutionary / Pro creationism stance is very common among Christianity, particularly in the USA but it also a growing trend in the UK now.

I encountered it myself at University from the christian union, where the Christians there were very supportive of creationism in a creationism vs evolution debate, and most of them would simply say 'Evolution is only a Theory, but you can believe in it if you want to'. Kind of a very odd understanding to have about Evolution I thought.

Yes, I believe that the bible is still relevant today. The bible provides the 10 commandments to follow. You may argue that 'well, we have various laws in place, follow them'. But there are still things that the Bible portrays as wrong that laws do not cover, like promiscuity.

Under those 10 commandments, as someone previously stated in another thread which turned into lolreligion, the bible provides information as to how we approach actions in our life as well as motivation and being grateful for what we have, making the most of it and helping one another.

Have you ever worked on a Sunday?

8 Remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy.

9 For six days you shall labour and do all your work.

10 But the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God; you shall not do any work—you, your son or your daughter, your male or female slave, your livestock, or the alien resident in your towns.

11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but rested the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and consecrated it.

And what is wrong with (consensual) promiscuity, and why should the law cover this?

You shall not steal

.... Oh dammit, I once stole a pen, and also a bible. So what should happen to me?

You shall not covet‡ your neighbor's wife
You shall not covet‡ anything that belongs to your neighbor

But my neighbors wife is pretty and I want her I also like their conservatory very much and wish that I could have one just like it.

 

[Rainmaker]

I find it fascinating watching, and having such debates.

As was explained earlier, debate entails two or more grounded viewpoints attempting to find weakness and consolidation in each other. You can't debate things of which you are ignorant, merely espouse yet more baseless ignorance. What's the point of finding something fascinating which you also find boring, ridiculous, crazy and stupid - despite admitting to knowing nothing of it? You really are a box of contradictions.

Your thread has gone from one silly baseless question to another. As soon as one viewpoint is undermined you simply redirect onto another and start the whole thing again. Pointless. As I and others said earlier, if you wish to discuss religions make the effort to learn about them first, then you might actually have something interesting to offer to such a discussion.

 

[bhavv]

Again, I never said that I havnt learnt about religions, why do you assume this?

I have read quite a lot about religion, just not the Bible.

Also to quote what I said on the first page:

I wanted people to watch and discuss the program, and I dont want this thread in SC because I am not bothered about people having to seriously debate the topic.

 

[Pav89]

Have you ever worked on a Sunday?



And what is wrong with (consensual) promiscuity, and why should the law cover this?



.... Oh dammit, I once stole a pen, and also a bible. So what should happen to me?

Yes, I have worked on a Sunday. IMHO Killing someone is far worse than working on a Sunday.

Personally, I think promiscuity is wrong. Many people will disagree (many of my friends are pretty promiscuous). I think its good if in relationships, but not otherwise. I don't, however, hold anything against people who are promiscuous.

Please quit with these little 'OH NOES BIBLEBOY, LOOK WHAT I DID11!!' bits that you tend to write to people who believe in a religion, trying to make others look like some sort of idiot.

I am not one to judge or tell you what should happen to you.

 

[Sunbed]

lol I watched that program this morning! All of it!!! In my pyjamas too

 

[bhavv]

Yes, I have worked on a Sunday. IMHO Killing someone is far worse than working on a Sunday.

If you have worked on a sunday then you are not following the 10 commandments.

And the commandment of 'You shall not kill or murder' was not invented by the Bible, this was already a law for centuries, if not over a millenia before Christianity was founded.

All the other commandments other than you shall not kill / steal, are mostly crap, and the only two decent commandments of no killing or stealing were not invented by Christianity.

 

[Rainmaker]

Again, I never said that I havnt learnt about religions, why do you assume this?

I have read quite a lot about religion, just not the Bible.

Comprehension failure again. I said if you're wanting to debate religions learn about them first. This is a thread about Christianity, of which you have amply demonstrated your ignorance. In case that wasn't enough, you made sure you told us out loud, too. Hence, if you wish to discuss it at least take time to learn about it first. That way you don't waste everyone's time, come across as being rather foolish, and end up with two pages of people banging their head against a wall while you pour out yet more silliness.

For a guy who attests to being clever, you can't half come across as being rather daft at times. I'm unsubscribing from this thread now. I've spent far too long trying to have meaningful discussion with you today. Your latest posts serve to illustrate that I was wasting my time and that you have no wish for constructive discussion or learning. Why should people bother, if you say you don't care and find it all nonsense?

You just come across as an ignoramus looking to act all high and mighty while regurgitating nonsense in an attempt to emulate others who at least do know what they're talking about, even if I don't agree with them (Dawkins, Hitchens et al.). When you've actually read the bible, come back and we'll debate it. Until then, please do everyone a favour and stick to topics you actually have a clue about.

 

[bhavv]

So christians who havnt read the whole bible (most of them) shouldnt ever be allowed to discuss their religion either?

How does reading the whole bible guarantee that the person doing so has been able to learn and memorize everything contained within?

When you've actually read the bible, come back and we'll debate it. Until then, please do everyone a favour and stick to topics you actually have a clue about.

Or you could feel free not to post in this thread? I'm not forcing you to discuss this topic or debate it with me.

 

[Vonhelmet]

Is the bible relevant? No, it's not - it's stupid. I win. Time to jerk off to videos of atheists moaning. Brb.

 

[Pav89]

If you have worked on a sunday then you are not following the 10 commandments.

I class it as a holy day - I attend church. (I guess you're going to reply "Well, you're not a christian then! Christians can't just drop everything and say "Right, that's it!" What about people in the medical field? That's why you don't see this happening every day. Good job Sunday working hours are decreased though

 

[bhavv]

Good job Sunday working hours are decreased though

Arguably one of the most stupid laws ever based off Christianity.

The Sunday Trading Act 1994 is an Act of Parliament in the United Kingdom governing the right of shops in England and Wales to trade on a Sunday. Buying and selling on Sunday had previously been illegal, with exceptions, under the Shops Act 1950.

 

[RomanNose]

Stuff like this:

That video makes me feel sick, I just don't understand how they get away with this.
How can you get away with teaching children blatant lies, there are 45 schools following this syllabus in the U.K, however I can imagine that the schools are going to be quite small though but it's still terrible to think what kind of stuff they are feeding these children.

I am not advocating a complete curriculum that is consistent throughout state or independent schools, but there should be a line drawn where unproven claims are left out of the class room.

You should stop arguing over these small differences of opinion and worry more about what is going on in these class rooms, after all a lack of a decent science education is going to cut out of a lot of potential in a child's life. I have also wondered if these students do GCSE science and what would happen if they left the school and went to a school where proper science is taught, must be hell on earth having a 10 year old student who thinks that carbon dating is witchcraft.

 

[bhavv]

must be hell on earth having a 10 year old student who thinks that carbon dating is witchcraft.

They end up in the bottom class, likely fail their GCSE's, and then the parents blame schools and teachers for their kids poor academic performance?

I have focused on this issue before, I simply got a 'That is only one school and it was probably shut down. Most Christian Schools dont teach stuff like that'.

I strongly disagree, all religious schooling should be banned IMO.

A lot of muslim kids in British mosques have to spend up to two hours daily studying the Koran, and a lot of such schools hit any disobedient kids that dont want to and force them to read it. Where exactly is wasting so much time and effort studying religion going to get a person in this day and age? Other than potentially one day dragging the UK back down into a theocracy, I see absolutely no point to religious schooling.

 

[steve-h]

Stuff like this:

I can't believe what I've just saw...

 

[aardvark]

surely that video is child abuse??

anyway, the only good thing the bible says is treat other people as you treat yourself - common sense that everybody should live by. the rest of it is crap.

 

[bhavv]

I can't believe what I've just saw...

I've posted it a few times before, but no one takes it seriously and they think that such schools are being closed down after they are discovered to be teaching this cirriculum, but the video says that they are government endorsed and have regular inspections so I doubt that.

These schools are running in the UK - 45 of them according to the video - and kids are being taught that naughty people are turned into pillars of salt, the Earth was created in 6 days and is 6000-10000 years old, and that Evolution is false.

Can any of the pro Christians explain how this is a good thing, why it is relevant to be teaching kids stuff like this, and how anything like that, and anything else that is written in the bible is actually true?

surely that video is child abuse??

Its a government endorsed private school and they are allowed to teach whatever curriculum they want. They have regular visits, and there were 45 of them in total teaching that curriculum at the time the video was made.

David Cameron also wants religion to have an even bigger role in society than it is currently at, because of how many people in the UK believe in God according to the Census (based on the previous results, not this years census).

Christian faith based schooling is on the rise and is being funded by the government because of the approx 70% Christian figure from the census before the lasts figures.

 

[RomanNose]

They end up in the bottom class, likely fail their GCSE's, and then the parents blame schools and teachers for their kids poor academic performance?

I have focused on this issue before, I simply got a 'That is only one school and it was probably shut down. Most Christian Schools dont teach stuff like that'.

I strongly disagree, all religious schooling should be banned IMO.

A lot of muslim kids in British mosques have to spend up to two hours daily studying the Koran, and a lot of such schools hit any disobedient kids that dont want to and force them to read it. Where exactly is wasting so much time and effort studying religion going to get a person in this day and age? Other than potentially one day dragging the UK back down into a theocracy, I see absolutely no point to religious schooling.

It seems as if that headmaster has no other agenda other than spreading his ignorance to his students, if I was emo that video would be the first video that I would watch if I was going to cut my wrists.

Also I heard that some of the funding for the Islamic independents is a bit dubious, I would not be surprised if funds from well known extremist groups were supporting them.

 

[BunnyKillBot]

Its a She, didnt you even watch it?



This is EXACTLY what she discusses in the video, so why dont you simply watch it before posting troll comments in my thread?

The question isn't 'Is the bible historically accurate'. The question is 'Is the bible still relevant today' which is like asking 'Is shawshank redemption still relevant today'.

Which is why the title of this thread is a troll

 

[Glaucus]

The Bible states that the Universe was made in 7 days, light and plants were made before the sun, a lot of Christians believe that the earth is only around 6000 years old, which I can only assume comes from biblical belief if so many people believe it, the Bible also indicates that the Earth is flat by saying that it has 4 corners and can fully be viewed from a single mountaintop, and it also states that Bats are birds.

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It does not say the universe was created in 7 days and it does not say the world is 6000 years old. Yet again you fail. It also does not say or suggest it is flat.