Only a flat Earth can have any ends, a sperical Earth, as we know, has no ends.
http://www.answering-christianity.com/earth_flat.htm
Is the bible still relevant today?
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Only a flat Earth can have any ends, a sperical Earth, as we know, has no ends.
http://www.answering-christianity.com/earth_flat.htm
Then your faith is wrong,
You seem the sort of person who could do a good job writing retarded books - give it a punt.
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Well, try. Maybe you can compare it to the rather popular scientific belief that before all this there was nothing. I'm not sure why, if a supernatural God were to exist, it would be so ludicrous that he could exist before anything else.
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Plenty of people believe in things unquestioningly because people in authority say so. Yes, there are some religious people like that, but there's plenty of people in other groups like that.
It is a matter of translation from the original texts Bhavv, nothing more.
Sometimes it seems like we are talking to a child.
Is this a quantum books?
Your interpretation of them as nonsense is your prerogative, especially if you've actually read them. What though, may I ask, is so wrong in correcting errors? Science corrects errors all the time; do you moan at those? In before 'But science doesn't claim to be the word of God, even though the bible doesn't either'.
Edited to add, if you look at most translations of the bible these days they remain remarkably consistent with the earliest known scrolls of those books. If anything, you'd have a more legitimate gripe bemoaning the removal of some books arbitrarily at the various councils, like Nicea.
I know, right? Once, this weird guy in a wheelchair who spoke funny told me that before this thing called the big bang, there was nothing. Then nothing exploded, and there was everything. I don't know even where to start debating that.
On the contrary.
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You're missing the point. It's a figure of speech to mean "all the earth".
It must be a nightmare talking to you and never using similes, metaphors, analogies, figures of speech, etc.
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If all you're going to do is search the skeptics Bible or wherever you're dragging up that stuff from, then I don't think we're going to have anything approaching a meaningful discussion. It's patently obvious that you have your opinions but you don't have any actual knowledge on the subject.
If all you're going to do is search the skeptics Bible or wherever you're dragging up that stuff from, then I don't think we're going to have anything approaching a meaningful discussion. It's patently obvious that you have your opinions but you don't have any actual knowledge on the subject.
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How much knowledge can anyone actually have about a fictitious book of fairy tales? It says stuff. It can be read, quoted, and laughed at when people take it seriously.
How can you be so sure that religious people aren't open minded?
Surely you are pre-judging the people that you are intending to debate with?
That's fittingly closed-minded.
LOL, you think people 1500 years ago language skills were developed to the extent of understand metaphors, similes etc
LOL. God was explaining things to them in Nursery language and you are telling him its a figure of speech.
Because you believe in a 2000 year old book and are not 'ready to entertain new ideas'.
I'd give you a medal if I could.
I'd give you a medal if I could.
Just to take one of your quotes:
Isaiah 11:12
12And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.
Douay-Rheims Bible
12And he shall set up a standard unto the nations, and shall assemble the fugitives of Israel, and shall gather together the dispersed of Juda from the four quarters of the earth.
Literal translation by Youngs:
12And He hath lifted up an ensign to nations, And gathereth the driven away of Israel, And the scattered of Judah He assembleth, From the four wings of the earth.
and the original Hebrew text:
ונשא נס לגוים ואסף נדחי ישראל ונפצות יהודה יקבץ מארבע כנפות הארץ׃
Um, yes I do. And frankly my mind is utterly boggled by the idea that you think they couldn't use any literary devices. Good grief.
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You're going to have to give me more to go on... What are we arguing about now? Is this still the four corners of the earth thing? I've no idea what the original Hebrew/Greek said. It could have said anything that meant "all the earth" but at some point it's been translated to "four corners of the earth" which is a popular English figure of speech meaning "all the earth". Whether or not it said those specific words in the original text, I don't know. Maybe that was a figure of speech used in Hebrew/Greek as well?
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Oh the irony...
Someone find someone who can read Hebrew to translate that...
Google says it literally says "four corners of the country", for what it's worth, but who knows whether Google is any good on the nuances of 2000+ year old Hebrew.
We are going to go round and round is circles. Give it another 60 years and hopefully and invention or discovery happens in mine or your life time that will put this argument to bed.
You are just scared of the unknown and are using religious nonsense to explain the unexplained.
That may have washed 1500 years ago but not now.
Just like all other civilizations religions have been debunked what makes Abrahamic religions any different ?
How about we just put our hands up and admit we don't know anything, rather than making up stories or believe the words of 3 prominent figures that had the gift of the gab.
Even if true, the English version has ben in print for how long now? And how many Christians follow and believe in the English version?
If it is so incorrectly translated from the original hebrew, then why isnt there a correct translation of the Bible yet?
BTW some parts of the Bible such as the genesis were written as early as 1445 B.C.
And a lot of Christians still believe it, and some teach is as factual today.
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I did, the translation above is from Youngs Literal Translation, which did exactly that, translated it word for word literally from both the Hebrew and Greek texts.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young's_Literal_Translation
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