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[FnG]magnolia · 10 May 2011 at 13:14

reefoid said:
Why's he being a dick? He's realised he's messed things up so far and is looking to improve his life.

Good luck kenmare, just go for it and hopefully things will work out for you. When I was 21 I didn't know where my life was going, in fact I was nearly 30 before I sorted myself out. And ignore the usual GD "You're a ****" remarks.

kenmare said:
**** you lol. Does it hurt to have peoples opinions and advice? Really?

If it aggravated you that much, why didn't you just click "back" rather than waste your time?

If I was sure about what I wanted in life, I wouldn't see the need for this thread.

Thank you, the best of luck to you also.

Look, what are you asking us for? Strangers on a computer forum and they're going to decide whether you join the Army or not? Does any of this sound odd to you?

I didn't mean to annoy you. I just think you're looking in the wrong place for your answers.

Pate · 10 May 2011 at 13:14

zhx said:
why drop out. i muffed up my 2nd year. just re did it. claimed a good degree. screw joining the army. rather not get killed thanks very much. oh and your 21. hardly over the hill

This is indeed an option, hell I'm sure if I worked every hour of everyday I might even be able to claw my degree back.

But the heart of the issue is my incredible lack of work ethic. I can't motivate myself for work in the slightest and thus feel that I need to be in an environment that will test and push me to my limits.

Sunbed · 10 May 2011 at 13:17

Might I ask why you have messed up second year? Also how badly?

edit: OK you sort of answered that in post above. Do you have any other "passions" that maybe you could get a career-ish job in? Then maybe go back to uni at a later date?

[FnG]magnolia · 10 May 2011 at 13:19

kenmare said:
This is indeed an option, hell I'm sure if I worked every hour of everyday I might even be able to claw my degree back.

So do that.

But the heart of the issue is my incredible lack of work ethic. I can't motivate myself for work in the slightest

Which part of this do you feel the Army will want to recruit you for?

and thus feel that I need to be in an environment that will test and push me to my limits.

I'm not an Army guy but I'm pretty sure you've just described the opposite of what they would want.

Pate · 10 May 2011 at 13:19

Castiel said:
You need to ask yourself some pretty serious questions about your motivation for joining the Army.

Joining any military service is long term commitment and not really something you should do simply because you think it may be the soft option when it come to make decisions about your future.

Go down to your local ACO and have a chat with the recruitment officer, they will be able to help you make the right choices.

I was in the military for 18 years and I never every regretted it, but it is a serious commitment and is not for everyone, so be sure that it is what you want to do, and not what you think you need to do.

Thanks for giving me your opinion, appreciate it.

I certainly do not view the army as a soft route, in fact the values and discipline the army employs is diametrically opposite to the life I've lead thus far.

I've always been the smart one "who would do well". I'm not doing well at the moment, and like the few years that have drifted by, I'm afraid of the next few doing likewise.

I want to prove myself, be the best....to be fufilled. I just need someone to kick my arse enough til I do it off my own volition.

I'll take your advice and speak to a ACO.

[FnG]magnolia;19101958 said:
Look, what are you asking us for? Strangers on a computer forum and they're going to decide whether you join the Army or not? Does any of this sound odd to you?

I didn't mean to annoy you. I just think you're looking in the wrong place for your answers.

That's cool dude, I get what you're saying. I'm not asking people to sort my life out, merely offer what they might feel to be helpful information.

The right words in the right place can make all the difference.

Cosimo · 10 May 2011 at 13:21

At 21 you haven’t really failed at anything. Just be very sure that going into the army is the right thing to do and not just an easy way out. Good luck in whatever you choose to do but think long and hard about it.

Pate · 10 May 2011 at 13:22

Sundance said:
Might I ask why you have messed up second year? Also how badly?

edit: OK you sort of answered that in post above. Do you have any other "passions" that maybe you could get a career-ish job in? Then maybe go back to uni at a later date?

I've attended around 5% of my lectures/seminars. Just been drinking, living the life etc.

I'm now 6 weeks away from major exams/coursework which incorporate a years worth of intense study.

[FnG]magnolia;19102012 said:
Which part of this do you feel the Army will want to recruit you for?

I'm not an Army guy but I'm pretty sure you've just described the opposite of what they would want.

On the surface, I'm presentable, capable and it looks like I'm full of ambition.

Also do you not think that most people would be tested and pushed by the army?

[FnG]magnolia · 10 May 2011 at 13:22

I've nothing else to add but I'm sure it'll work out for you because at least you're thinking about how to make your life better.

A good start, man

Oh, ffs, hold the press.

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OP said:
I've attended around 5% of my lectures/seminars. Just been drinking, living the life etc.

You should have a think about what you've just said about your life. You should also probably speak to someone. And I don't mean us.

ntg · 10 May 2011 at 13:22

Do you want to join the army because you like it, or do you think it's going to make you disciplined and give your life structure/goal. If the latter then you could be doing the wrong thing for the wrong reasons.

Mat · 10 May 2011 at 13:23

Dropouts = cannon fodder

Castiel · 10 May 2011 at 13:23

[FnG]magnolia;19102012 said:
So do that.

Which part of this do you feel the Army will want to recruit you for?

I'm not an Army guy but I'm pretty sure you've just described the opposite of what they would want.

I know guys who were in similar position and frame of mind to Kenmare when they joined the Royal Marines, they were looking for purpose and something to motivate them out of the rut in which they found themselves, on the whole the marines supplied that.

People join the army for hundreds of different reasons and if he is not suitable it will be plain to see early on in the selection process and training.

Give the guy a break, he just wants a little advice in what seems to be a pretty confusing period for him.

Sunbed · 10 May 2011 at 13:23

[FnG]magnolia;19102012 said:
I'm not an Army guy but I'm pretty sure you've just described the opposite of what they would want.

I understand where the OP is coming from. If you're a squaddy you can't exactly "hide" from your responsibilities like you can at uni.

Pate · 10 May 2011 at 13:24

simulatorman said:
At 21 you haven’t really failed at anything. Just be very sure that going into the army is the right thing to do and not just an easy way out. Good luck in whatever you choose to do but think long and hard about it.

I know thanks. I just need someone I can ****ing talk to about this, someone to see the issue and give me solid advice.

I talked to a councillor at the university, who didn't see the issue at all. The parents are as always incredibly supportive of me, but to much so?

[FnG]magnolia;19102049 said:
I've nothing else to add but I'm sure it'll work out for you because at least you're thinking about how to make your life better.

A good start, man

Thanks man, 'preciate it.

bitslice · 10 May 2011 at 13:25

kenmare said:
Opinions?

more informed opinions to be found here
http://www.arrse.co.uk/

I'm sure it will be an experience that many here would envy,
good luck

Pate · 10 May 2011 at 13:25

Mat said:
Dropouts = cannon fodder

That's heartening to hear.

Sundance said:
I understand where the OP is coming from. If you're a squaddy you can't exactly "hide" from your responsibilities like you can at uni.

Well, I'd be hoping to join as an officer, but I take your point.

Pate · 10 May 2011 at 13:26

bitslice said:
more informed opinions to be found here
http://www.arrse.co.uk/

I'm sure it will be an experience that many here would envy,
good luck

Thanks for the link, I'll check them out.

Sunbed · 10 May 2011 at 13:33

kenmare said:
Well, I'd be hoping to join as an officer, but I take your point.

Yeh I just realised as I posted that as you have got in to Uni I'm sure you would be qualified enough to be an officer. It's something I seriously considered before I went to uni... went to loads of interviews n stuff.

Got a mate at Sandhurst now.. sounds like a good place. The thing I found out about the army is (officer or not) once you're committed.. that's it. I was going to join the OTC at Uni but I was really put off by the attitude of everyone.

If you think the lifestyle suits you and you are prepared to commit to it then you should be alright.

Pate · 10 May 2011 at 13:36

Sundance said:
Yeh I just realised as I posted that as you have got in to Uni I'm sure you would be qualified enough to be an officer. It's something I seriously considered before I went to uni... went to loads of interviews n stuff.

Got a mate at Sandhurst now.. sounds like a good place. The thing I found out about the army is (officer or not) once you're committed.. that's it. I was going to join the OTC at Uni but I was really put off by the attitude of everyone.

If you think the lifestyle suits you and you are prepared to commit to it then you should be alright.

I joined the OTC for a time. Not the most pleasant of people. The ego trips of some people was mental.

Jimz · 10 May 2011 at 13:40

My mate whos in the army loves it! Spends months in Afgan sunbathing and chilling with the regiment hes with(ok he does do some patrols, but nowhere near as much as it used to be). Comes back home and hes loaded. Because the army pays for EVERYTHING while your away with them and not 1 penny of yours is spent for when you come back.

bloodiedathame · 10 May 2011 at 13:43

Drop and give me twenty.