Madeleine McCann's parents

[Macro]

I'd be interested to see if those reports are actually accurate. Number 2 in particular sounds pretty much impossible from a time point of view which leads me to question the others. Although number 4 sounds odd (why fly a TEAM of TOP lawyers out after a few hours?) I don't suppose doing that from a mobile phone actually stops you being out looking.

 

[Greebo]

There can't be a single shred of evidence that they killed her (or sold her - where do you people come up with this ***?), or they'd still be suspects, but most people seem pretty happy to convict them anyway.

AFAIK they are still one of the prime suspects of the Portuguese police. There is the issue of Maddie's blood under the tiles in the appartment and the back of the McCann's hire car plus the cadavor sniffing dogs finding signs of a dead body in the appartment and the hire car and an eyewitness giving a description of a man matching Gerry, carrying a young girl to the beach at 10pm that night.

 

[Metalface Mark]

Its fair to say from the evidence that Maddy died in the apartment and the death was covered up by the McCann's, they are lothesome people.

People forget all about the cadavar dogs that found the scent of death in the apartment and in the car, the McCann's lawyers do a good job of debunking the dogs but when they have been proved correct in 200 previous cases, it makes its kinda hard to dispell that they smelled what they smelled.

 

[Greebo]

I'd be interested to see if those reports are actually accurate. Number 2 in particular sounds pretty much impossible from a time point of view which leads me to question the others

The take on number 2 by the Portuguse police is that they couldn't have done all that in 2 hours and must have hence started preparing that before Maddie was reported "missing" especially the posters.

 

[lixxus]

Of course it's a ridiculous comparison, are you going to be the arbiter of what is negligent and what's not deciding when the public services will help and when they will say "it's your own fault" however?

What next, no police response to a burglary if you left a window open?

if you are going to criticize me at least come up with a valid point that makes sense.

short skirt and rape is not negligence. pffft

I, Me personally don't think we should use our tax payers money to find her child. It might sound cruel but its harsh truth.

They have sold their sex book, that should do them fine for finding their child, which is their own fault that she is missing, because if they were GOOD PARENTS, they wouldn't leave their child unattended in a foreign country or any country or anywhere in fact.

People that argue that "old days" your mums used to you out of her sight for hours on end. Well i'm sorry to say that is bad parenting as well and in the past parents were less educated. We know a lot more regarding parenting skills now than we do then.

 

[Greebo]

I'd be interested to see if those reports are actually accurate. Number 2 in particular sounds pretty much impossible from a time point of view which leads me to question the others. Although number 4 sounds odd (why fly a TEAM of TOP lawyers out after a few hours?) I don't suppose doing that from a mobile phone actually stops you being out looking.

Point is according to the Portuguese, the McCanns did not go out looking for Maddie at all.

 

[Macro]

Its fair to say from the evidence that Maddy died in the apartment and the death was covered up by the McCann's, they are lothesome people.

People forget all about the cadavar dogs that found the scent of death in the apartment and in the car, the McCann's lawyers do a good job of debunking the dogs but when they have been proved correct in 200 previous cases, it makes its kinda hard to dispell that they smelled what they smelled.

Just to be clear i have no problem at all with them being strung up by their sensitive bits if they were responsible.

As a parent, not matter who was negligent, I just have some sympathy with the "I would do anything, whore myself to the press or get my thrupenny bits out for page 3 if it would help keep people looking". aspect of their campaign.

 

[arknor]

So because they were negligent the little girl deserves to stay lost? "Hey it was your own fault so we are not gonna bother finding your lost daughter"

tbh I would rather my tax money went on this than many of the other things it pays for.

they refused to answer questions the police asked FFS! they dont deserve anything until they tell the truth.

your child goes missing and your telling the police you dont want to answer questions in a police interview WTF! only guilty criminals pull the "no comment" answer ewhen asked questions in a police interview

 

[Biohazard]

Whilst I agree that in an ideal world all missing children should have this level of attention doesn't his thread, the press and government attention show that the McCanns are doing exactly the right thing to keep the authorities and public aware of and looking for their missing daughter, even if it does mean appearing on page 3 and doing a deal with the devil.?

I think they could do it slightly more respectfully, and on topic?

Still, as Von said, got to love GD experts who know more about the case than the Private investigators, massed world press (who let's face it would have a field day if there was any chance the McCanns "dun it") family, police forces of two nations and governments all of who have first hand information.

We are only drawing conclusions from the information infornt of us.

What information are you privvy to exactly?

And if the governments and police had all this information, do you not think she'd be found?

There is no evidence against them or they would be charged, there is no evidence on the girl or she'd have been found.

Simply, there is no evidence. They should not be allowed to hog the limelight, and monopolise police resources, because they feel they are more important than others in the same situation.

 

[JHeaton]

Of course it's a ridiculous comparison, are you going to be the arbiter of what is negligent and what's not deciding when the public services will help and when they will say "it's your own fault" however?

What next, no police response to a burglary if you left a window open?

No, and I didn't say that. Regardless of the negligence, the investigation should continue. The parents should, however, be charged for it.

My issue is that they are seemingly getting a lot more than other cases of missing children, which is wrong. Are not all children equal?

 

[Macro]

if you are going to criticize me at least come up with a valid point that makes sense.

short skirt and rape is not negligence. pffft

I, Me personally don't think we should use our tax payers money to find her child. It might sound cruel but its harsh truth.

They have sold their sex book, that should do them fine for finding their child, which is their own fault that she is missing, because if they were GOOD PARENTS, they wouldn't leave their child unattended in a foreign country or any country or anywhere in fact.

People that argue that "old days" your mums used to you out of her sight for hours on end. Well i'm sorry to say that is bad parenting as well and in the past parents were less educated. We know a lot more regarding parenting skills now than we do then.

Although an extreme example of course the point makes sense, specifically it shows that one persons view of "negligence" is not anothers, how do you suggest we gauge negligence before the public services will do something?

How about if the fictional rape victim walked down a dark ally topless signing "give it to be big boy" and was then raped? Is that negligence and she should be left to it? A house is on fire because someone stupidly chucks petrol on a BBQ to get it going? Negligence so no fire services. Or 101 other ridiculous examples that show why to say "the little girl if she is indeed alive will have to stay lost because her parents were negligent" is a ridiculous thing to say.

Apart from anything else do we now ignore helping a victim if we think someone else was negligent unless you have some evidence Maddie was negligent and caused her own death/abduction?

 

[Metalface Mark]

they refused to answer questions the police asked FFS! they dont deserve anything until they tell the truth.

your child goes missing and your telling the police you dont want to answer questions in a police interview WTF! only guilty criminals pull the "no comment" answer ewhen asked questions in a police interview

They also agreed in the press to take lie detector tests but then refused to take them after prominent specialists offered to do it for them.

 

[lixxus]

I agree with the Portuguese police. I don't understand why we are undermining them with the met police and all this crap.

I think the Portuguese have seen similar cases and know when its been abduction etc,

If there theory is that the parents killed the child accidentally or whatever, then i'm sure they have substantial evidence to say so.

I don't understand why they are not being charged for negligence and the other children are not being taken into care.

They are **** parents Full stop.

How can they both be GPs and not afford to pay for a babysitter , with peace of mind when going out to drink.

 

[Macro]

No, and I didn't say that. Regardless of the negligence, the investigation should continue. The parents should, however, be charged for it.

My issue is that they are seemingly getting a lot more than other cases of missing children, which is wrong. Are not all children equal?

/Shrug, I have no idea if Maddie is actually getting more money spent on finding her by the authorities than other children, do you?

The thing people (not you specifically JHeaton) seem to be missing in this thread is that it's Maddie who is the victim and deserves the time, money and effort in finding her. Like or dislike her parents as far as I know we don't refuse to help a victim because we've decided someone else was negligent or unlikeable.

 

[Macro]

Simply, there is no evidence. They should not be allowed to hog the limelight, and monopolise police resources, because they feel they are more important than others in the same situation.

Are they really monopolising Police resources?

 

[ColdAsIce]

The problem I have with the McCann's is that it's all a bit weird in how they looked after their children and what they did next if the following reports are true.

1. They leave young children alone for hours every night of the holiday in a foreign country while going out drinking and refuse to pay for £10 babysitter on the grounds they don't want to leave their kids with a stranger yet it's the same babysitter they are happy to leave their kids for 5.5 hours with every day during the holiday.

2. Within 2 hours of finding Maddie "missing" from her room, they had already reported her as abducted, contacted every relative in England to tell them she has been abducted, had made contact with the British Embassy and met a representative, and produced and printed hundreds of posters with Maddie's picture on to be handed out, posted up in the area. Wouldn't normal parents have spent those first two hours looking for their missing child?

3. The McCann's didn't join in the search in the local area despite the police and 100's of locals been out searching.

4. Within 24 hours they had hired a team of top lawyers and flown them out from England. Wouldn't you still be looking for your missing child?

I could go on and on. There is something majorly fishy in what happened and how they behave IMO.

Sources for all of this info?

 

[sigma]

As a parent, not matter who was negligent, I just have some sympathy with the "I would do anything, whore myself to the press or get my thrupenny bits out for page 3 if it would help keep people looking". aspect of their campaign.

So you'd be happy to sit on your backside writing books and doing media interviews when you could be out looking for her yourself???

Judging by the lack of logic in some of your posts in this thread I shouldn't really be surprised.

 

[Macro]

So you'd be happy to sit on your backside writing books and doing media interviews when you could be out looking for her yourself???

Judging by the lack of logic in some of your posts in this thread I shouldn't really be surprised.

Yes, yes of course I would.

Do you really think someone spends 24 hours a day sat on their backside writing a book or doing media interviews every day for 4 years. In the real world you make judgements at what the best return on your time is. raise money and awareness to try to persuade 2 police forces to reopen the case and continue looking seems a good start to me although of course you need to keep looking as well.

As for my logic I think you need to look a little closer to home. Do you know for a fact, lets's say the McCann didn't dictate the book onto tape whilst walking the streets looking for Maddie? I don't know nor care really, they are the parents and need to live with their decicions, I can just understand why they would do anything to keep the hunt going.

 

[sigma]

You're right, do as much as possible to detract from the fact they were negligent - makes perfect sense.

 

[Greebo]

Sources for all of this info?

Mainly from here: http://mccannexposure.wordpress.com...0-reasons-which-suggest-she-was-not-abducted/

Which references the reports and information released now by the Portuguse police.