Madeleine McCann's parents

How many missing persons units are there that deal in international man hunts in the met?

You'd be surprised.

You might want to check www.npia.police.uk/mpb, they have a magazine of shorts called 'the bureau' where they mention sometimes successes or cases of children of UK residents that have gone missing while abroad. The Met is involved heavily in that.
 
You missed the point completly, irrespective of what the McCanns deserve or not what about Maddie herself? What does she deserve? Allowed to stay lost or whatever because of the sins of the parents.

All this talk of the parents and what they are doing, suspicions cast on them etc the focus seems to be taken off that a little girl is still missinga dn she should be the primary concern not a bunch of uninformed opinions and conspiracy theories.

All the people on here that usually scoff at the papers and laugh at their inaccurate stories seem to be taking everything they say about the McCanns as concrete truth.

shes already had more than pretty much every other missing person would have had.... its time to move on and stop funding the parents round the world tour or whatever the hell theyb are doing.

shes been lost for so long there is no chance maybe if the parents were more honest at the time instead of wasting police time with "no comment" answers if she really was kidnapped they might have actually caught the person
 
Actually Kate McCann has stated in an interview that she has never been out looking for Madeleine herself. I'll see if I can find the reference.

I can remember the same thing. Plus I didn;t like the fact that at a time when they should have been looking after their remaining two children or out looking for Maddie, they were jetting off round the world have meetings with the PM and the Pope.

I also find it stranger that the day after Maddie went missing the brother (or brother in law-can't remember which) resigned from his very successful job to go looking for Maddie. Okay, great for a family member to do that to help out but he had his own wife,kids and mortgage so a little extreme to resign permanently from his job. Most normal people would have first requested a week or two off work to go help search, not jack it in altogether. Ever since then he has been supported from the Maddie fund and has not returned to work.

I also find it equally strange that when they was lots of reasonable good reported sitings of Maddie in Malta, neither of the parents went to Malta. My first instinct would have been to get there as quick as possible in the hope that you could find your daughter. Instead both of them continued to tour doing their fund raising by releasing yellow balloons.
 
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You missed the point completly, irrespective of what the McCanns deserve or not what about Maddie herself? What does she deserve? Allowed to stay lost or whatever because of the sins of the parents.

All this talk of the parents and what they are doing, suspicions cast on them etc the focus seems to be taken off that a little girl is still missinga dn she should be the primary concern not a bunch of uninformed opinions and conspiracy theories.

All the people on here that usually scoff at the papers and laugh at their inaccurate stories seem to be taking everything they say about the McCanns as concrete truth.

I agree that the focus should be on finding any missing child but they seemed to do everything they could to not help find her:

1. Hire a team of top lawyers within a day to represent them
2. Refuse to hand over their mobiles to help police with their enquires and then successfully get it blocked in the courts under human rights.
3. Supply a very old photograph of a much younger Maddie to help with the search despite having lots of holiday photographs of her which would obviously be more relevant to how she looked. They only released the most recent photos to the Portuguse police weeks later on their return to England.
4. Refused to answer questions and the group of 9 "friends" that they were out with that night all refuse to answer questions and refer to a "pact of silence" and that it is no business of the police or any relevance to Maddie been missing.
5. Lying about how often they left the children alone and how often they checked them. They claim every half an hour minimum but neighbours told police that the night before Maddie had been crying out for her dad for 75 minutes. If she was kidnapped it's fairly important to pin down the time of her last seen.
6. Deciding to wash Maddie's favourite toy which was left in the cot she slept in as it was "dirty with suncream" when that could have held forensic evidence to help catch the kidnapper as if she was snatched there would be a good chance that he/she and touched it.
7. Refusing to let the other two children to be tested to see if they had been drugged by the kidnapper.
8. Insist that the Portugeuse police release a sketch of a man seen lurking around earlier that day by one of their friends in the bar yet totally ignoring the more detailed description of an indepedant eye witness who saw a man carrying an asleep/unconscious blond girl at 10pm that night in the area. Why not pursue the sighting at the time of the kidnap?
9. Spending millions of 3 private dectective companies, who at least one has no experience in finding missing children and another one was a newly formed company despite the McCanns claiming they had hired the best of the best to find Maddie.

I could go on and on. The British newspapers are actually very supportive of the McCanns and don't question what happened very much and stick to the official line that she was kidnapped.

At the end of the day the McCanns version of events comes down to this.

In a 5 minute window between the children been checked upon, a kidnapper mananged to break into their apartment through the shuttered patio doors, kidnap Maddie without waking her up or the other two children, then claimbed out of a high window, went back to the patio and shut the shutters down again and made off with Maddie without been seen and heard.

It's when you look at it like that you can see why the Portuguse Police have their doubts and have put the parents in the frame.
 
Irrelevent, you are casting your ill feelings on to those for merely discussing the topic.
No i'm not

The subject is the parents, not the little girl. You can't accuse people of ignoring the girl when the subject is her parents.
Agreed, but the behaviour of the parents is inextricably linked and influenced by the plight of the little girl and any judgement made on their behaviour should perhaps take that into account.


Just why are you so desperate to 'prove everyone wrong' on this?
I'm not in any way desperate or otherwise. I've just said I can understand why a parent would be prepared to do anything, anyone elses opinion is entirely a matter for them. Why are you so determined to try and prove my personal opinions as "wrong" somehow.

It would seem you who professes to speak on behalf of "everyone" in a way that suggests "everyone" agrees with you. I am beginning to notice this as a pattern in your posts as well as a tendency to eventually resort to personal jibes.

Trying to debunk everything anyone brings looks sychophantish.
You would do well to heed this advise.

How many missing persons units are there that deal in international man hunts in the met?
No idea, and frankly don't really care, but feel free to post anything that shows they are monopolising police time based relative police man hours etc, if it's really that important to you.
 
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Sorry for their loss and all but they really need to move on with their lives.

After all this time they aren't just magically going to find her. Dragging it out just makes them look like moneygrabbers.
 
How many missing persons units are there that deal in international man hunts in the met?

Just out of interest whats the answer to this question?

Dragging it out just makes them look like moneygrabbers.

They lost their daughter and are doing everything in their power to keep it as a focus for the police and the media i'm not sure they really care what people think of them.
 
Anyone noticed how less devistated they look everytime and more and more minted! He's pretty reserved but shes a bitch for sure!

End of the day it's there fault. Really who does what they did when away let alone at home.

I'd never ever do that!

Sh'e taken over Binlarden in the hide and seak game. Navey Seals will find her in 25 years
 
No i'm not

Yes, you were.

Agreed, but the behaviour of the parents is inextricably linked and influenced by the plight of the little girl and any judgement made on their behaviour would should perhaps take that into account.

No it isn't.

Her vanishing nearly half a decade ago has nothing to do with their personalities that look like they were already established long before the incident, or her birth.


I'm not in any way desperate or otherwise. I've just said I can understand why a parent would be prepared to do anything, anyone elses opinion is entirely a matter for them. Why are you so determined to try and prove my personal opinions as "wrong" somehow.

Because you are on a cruisade against everyone else, so why not? :)

It would seem you who professes to speak on behalf of "everyone" in a way that suggests "everyone" agrees with you.

I'm just watching the debate, and there are two or three posters who will offer excuses for any peacemeal complaint brought forward or use one flawed point to go 'I can ignore the rest now' etc.

I'm not suggesting everyone agrees with me, what I am suggesting is what I am seeing in this thread.


I am beginning to notice this as a pattern in your posts as well as a tendency to eventually resort to personal jibes.

Feel like your starting to lose the argument so you start to attack the character huh?

By all means feel free to show where I have done as such.

I've not personally attacked anyone in here, so no keep your faux accusations to one's self please.

You would do well to heed this advise.

I'm not trying to debunk anyting let alone every iota of information presented like a few in this thread are.

There is no new evidence, there is nothing to discuss about the girl.

No idea, and frankly don't really care, but feel free to post anything that shows they are monopolising police time based relative police man hours etc, if it's really that important to you.

Of course they are, it doesn't need superflous stipulations from you to work it out.
 
The thing that I find odd is that the sniffer dogs, which were trained to find the scent of cadavers, gave a positive indication on Kate McCann's clothes as well as one of the toys.

To me, that is extremely troubling.
 
The thing that I find odd is that the sniffer dogs, which were trained to find the scent of cadavers, gave a positive indication on Kate McCann's clothes as well as one of the toys.

To me, that is extremely troubling.

And the back of their hire car plus Maddie's blood was found which had seeped under a floor tile which would suggest a lot of blood for that to happen.

The McCann's explination is that Maddies toy went with the mother to work with her in the previous two weeks and she and the toy had come in close contact with 6 dead bodies (who takes a kid's favourite toy to work and has it near cadavers?).

The blood was either from a nose bleed or a grazed knee.

The Cadaver smell the dogs picked up in the room was from old meat the father had kept there before throwing it out in the garbage.
 
Yes, you were.
Nope, I'm pretty sure I know my intentions better than you do and, no, no I wasn't.

No it isn't.

Her vanishing nearly half a decade ago has nothing to do with their personalities that look like they were already established long before the incident, or her birth.
Clearly their behaviour is going to be influenced by the loss of a little girl be it by them doing her in or an abduction. I think keeping in mind the case should be about finding a little girl as a victim and looking at the parents behaviour in light of having lost a child is important.


Because you are on a cruisade against everyone else, so why not? :)
Not at all, you seem to be the only one taking things personally and launching a "crusade" to try to discredit anyone who doesn't agree with you. I posted my opinion and then discussed aspects with other people, that, as far as I know is the purpose of the forum.

I'm not suggesting everyone agrees with me.
Probably for the best given the evidence of posts

Feel like your starting to lose the argument so you start to attack the character huh?
Not at all, there is no argument, just peoples personal opinions. Something you seem unable to tolerate if they differ from your own. You however have long since stopped adding any value to the discussion and now are trying to disect my posts making jibes about people "on a crusade" "desperate to prove everyone else wrong" "casting your ill feelings" and accusations of being "sychophantish".

Your obsession with me whilst flattering is somewhat unwelcome and tedious.

Of course they are, it doesn't need superflous stipulations from you to work it out.
So you have no evidence at all and having had at least two people question your statement you're now going to paint it a "superfluous". Uhhh huh...

I fully expect yet another post from you carrying on your habit of increasing selective quoting in an attempt to try to "win" an argument that only exists in your head. Frankly I have no idea what point it is you are trying to prove as your posts seem designed to try to prove how clever you are and discredit my personal opinion rather than add anything to the debate itself.
 
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No it isn't.

Her vanishing nearly half a decade ago has nothing to do with their personalities that look like they were already established long before the incident, or her birth.

Unfortunately yes it does. In the first months, no it wouldn't. Even if the parents were the prime suspects, even if someone had seen them throw a body into a river they'd still spend a lot of money dredging the river and searching for the body in hope she was alive.

Right now, years later, their character and their story is entirely relevant to how you persue the case. Unless they had an IRON CLAD alibi, like, they were at dinner, at a filmed event, with the local chief of police and the kid was seen being taken home with the nanny they they ARE SUSPECTS.

If say Greebo's list is true, sorry but it sounds horrible, they've seemingly done everything they could to hamper the investigation into their own missing child, innocent people rarely do that.

Investigations aren't free, people are paying for it, people have paid for it already and at some point its just money down a drain. Maddie was young enough that she could be somewhere, completely happy with a new family and never remember the old family.

Its very hard to find a missing kid, when the kid is openly out in some part of a world with people she considers her own family.

Or she could be dead, maybe a kidnapper killed her, or the parents, who knows, at this point throwing money into a fire would be as useful in finding her.

If she's found, at this point, it will be because someone raids a peado's "lair", and her identity is checked after looking a bit like her. THe trail is so cold its a joke.

At this stage we're funding a couple of very, strange parents who did very little to help find their daughter at the time, come across as guilty and are traveling the world, living in hotels, on other peoples money.

Everything I've seen, every interview, their strange behaviour and their seeming press hounding makes me feel like they are guilty. Suggesting we ignore them as suspects and spend limitless money to find a kid that money WILL NOT FIND at this stage, is daft.

Half the world thinks they did it, take a freaking lie detector test rather than refuse, its not hard, every step theres been things they could do to help their case, and they've refused, and each time in doing so seemingly helped waste time and effort that could have been spent finding their kid. Their own time and the cops looking into the parents.

The two potentially only suspects continue to act strangely, be evasive and refuse to help themselves, if that shouldn't effect how you persue the case I really don't know what should.

At this stage the most likely source of finding out where Maddie is, is the parents.
 
I must say I honestly believed, that initially she had been abducted and thought that Maddies parents were totally negligible in leaving their children alone while they P@$$ed it up, But then today I read this http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2009/04/maddie-truth-of-lie-documentary.html and my opinion has drastically changed, I think they are as guilty as hell and the truth is going to come out very soon.

Personally, I think the whole thing is terrible and that the truth should be made open so as to lay poor Maddie to rest, there is now way she has been abducted, too much evidence suggests otherwise.
 
At this stage the most likely source of finding out where Maddie is, is the parents.
Sadly I think you may be right. Whilst I can understand their need as parents to keep the topic in the public and authorities front of mind, they certainly haven't helped themselves in a whole bunch of ways.

Perhaps they keep things in the press because they genuinely didn't do Maddie in and she has, through their abject negligence been abducted. On the other hand perhaps they think there is evidence out there that could eventually be found to implicate them in her demise and they hope the years of publicity will throw people off the scent. Perhaps, as someone else has posted, they keep it going because they can't stop, either as it would look suspicious, or they've convinced themselves of a different set of events.

In either case you can't help but feel desperately sorry for a little girl who didn't deserve whatever it was that happened to her.
 
The McCann's explination is that Maddies toy went with the mother to work with her in the previous two weeks and she and the toy had come in close contact with 6 dead bodies (who takes a kid's favourite toy to work and has it near cadavers?).

Even supposing she did take it to work and had it near cadavers, she surely would have washed it afterwards?
 
Nope, I'm pretty sure I know my intentions better than you do and, no, no I wasn't.

Your words betray this statement unfortunately.

Clearly their behaviour is going to be influenced by the loss of a little girl be it by them doing her in or an abduction. I think keeping in mind the case should be about finding a little girl as a victim and looking at the parents behaviour in light of having lost a child is important.

That has nothing to do with the thread topic, again.


Not at all, you seem to be the only one taking things personally and launching a "crusade" to try to discredit anyone who doesn't agree with you. I posted my opinion and then discussed aspects with other people, that, as far as I know is the purpose of the forum.

Back to the usual trolling I see, congratulations.

All I've done is said my piece, I'm not discounting various facts as irrelevent because I don't want to hear them.

Probably for the best given the evidence of posts

Evidence of posts what?



Not at all, there is no argument, just peoples personal opinions. Something you seem unable to tolerate if they differ from your own. You however have long since stopped adding any value to the discussion and now are trying to disect my posts making jibes about people "on a crusade" "desperate to prove everyone else wrong" "casting your ill feelings" and accusations of being "sychophantish".

You are on a crusade, you are desperate to prove everyone wrong in opinion or fact even if it means ignoring case points, you are casting your ill feelings like others as 'GD experts, what do they know' and what not.

Maybe not sychophantish, but nearly troll like in your arrogant way of dismissing what you do not like to hear.

So, you actually have no basis at all for your erroneous claims that I am personally attacking you or others given that they aren't insults or vicious attacks at all. Merely argumentative conclusions.

Your obsession with me whilst flattering is somewhat unwelcome and tedious.

Stop speaking to me then?

So you have no evidence at all and having had at least two people question your statement you're now going to paint it a "superfluous". Uhhh huh...

The point isn't superflous, your negative burdon of proof 'x y z' is.

Pulling in others is pointless.

Anyway if the met had something, would they not have done it on their own accord and not by request years later?



I fully expect yet another post from you carrying on your habit of increasing selective quoting in an attempt to try to "win" an argument that only exists in your head.

Tell me troll, where have I selectively quoted ANYTHING.

An example now, or you are a liar. :)


Frankly I have no idea what point it is you are trying to prove as your posts seem designed to try to prove how clever you are and discredit my personal opinion rather than add anything to the debate itself.

I'm not trying to prove anything I don't have anything to prove, other than watching a discussion on the Kate and Gerry McCan.

Personal opinions do not trump personal opinions, I am highlighting your fallacies in approaching certain aspects of this discussion.
 
Unfortunately yes it does. In the first months, no it wouldn't. Even if the parents were the prime suspects, even if someone had seen them throw a body into a river they'd still spend a lot of money dredging the river and searching for the body in hope she was alive.

*MASSIVE SNIP*.

That isn't the context level I was talking about really, but everything else you say - yes I pretty much agree.
 
And the back of their hire car plus Maddie's blood was found which had seeped under a floor tile which would suggest a lot of blood for that to happen.

The McCann's explination is that Maddies toy went with the mother to work with her in the previous two weeks and she and the toy had come in close contact with 6 dead bodies (who takes a kid's favourite toy to work and has it near cadavers?).

The blood was either from a nose bleed or a grazed knee.

The Cadaver smell the dogs picked up in the room was from old meat the father had kept there before throwing it out in the garbage.

They had quite a lot to say on 'discrediting' sniffer dogs.

Gerry became an expert apparently.
 
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