Madeleine McCann's parents

[stulid]

This is too little too late, I can see only three possibilities.

1) The McCann's did it, hid the body, and are playing an excellent subterfuge game.

2) Random Pedophile got her, killed her,body never to be found.

3) Random Pedophile got her for a child slave market, or to keep like Jaycee Dugard, so basically after all these years is almost unrecognisable apart from that eye pigment thing, never to be found.

 

[Vonhelmet]

I imagine that the reason that the McCanns keep this whole thing going is that they simply don't know how to do anything else. Where anyone else might have given up after 6 months, they have kept it going for years, on a continental scale, if not wider. By now, they probably couldn't stop even if they wanted to.

They probably need quite a considerable amount of counselling.

 

[Biohazard]

They probably need quite a considerable amount of counselling.

Yes. I think they do.

Someone has to step in at some point, or cut them off gently. For their own good, even if it doesn't seem like it to them or everyone else.

I think my problem is I struggle to empathise with them directly, whenever I've seen them they just come across wrong. Some of their statements were very strange mostly in body language, and sometimes also in the tone and style of the words which were at odds with what could be expected.

Sure everyone deals with tragedy differently and maybe they were odd to start with, but as someone else said in here they looked like they had dead eyes. Not like emotionally shattered dead, just dead.

 

[mcast]

I must say I honestly believed, that initially she had been abducted and thought that Maddies parents were totally negligible in leaving their children alone while they P@$$ed it up, But then today I read this http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2009/04/maddie-truth-of-lie-documentary.html and my opinion has drastically changed, I think they are as guilty as hell and the truth is going to come out very soon.

Personally, I think the whole thing is terrible and that the truth should be made open so as to lay poor Maddie to rest, there is now way she has been abducted, too much evidence suggests otherwise.

Before you come to a conclusion about anything, always note the source and any motivation they have to produce what they do. It's clearly a biased article trying to defend the Portugeuse police. Portugal has taken a huge financial hit since this incident and continues to do so.

I don't care what happened, I personally think Cameron is a complete idiot to authorise the investigation. It shows him as a weak leader only influenced by "ratings" and I hope the hundreds of other of families with missing kids speak out.

 

[Macro]

Your words betray this statement unfortunately.

only in your mind

That has nothing to do with the thread topic, again.

Ok, so you think Madeline's murder or disappearance has nothing to do with a thread called "Madeleine McCanns parents", or they way they behave... Uhh huh...

Back to the usual trolling I see, congratulations.

All I've done is said my piece, I'm not discounting various facts as irrelevent because I don't want to hear them.

Unfortunately all to often your posting style seems to rely on attacking the post itself or the poster in the most pedantic way possible rather than have a civil debate of the actual points. That or dismiss facts as "superfluous" or "irrelevant" if they seem inconvenient to your point.

You are on a crusade, you are desperate to prove everyone wrong in opinion or fact even if it means ignoring case points, you are casting your ill feelings like others as 'GD experts, what do they know' and what not.

I don't even know what it is you think i'm trying to prove people wrong about, I've just stated my own opinion, wheter people agree with that or not is a choice for them. Are you confused somehow? You're still trying to convince me of my own actions and intents which I have to say I'm fairly confident I know better than you.

Maybe not sychophantish, but nearly troll like in your arrogant way of dismissing what you do not like to hear.

Ahahahahhaha... Irony at it's best... Hello pot, this is kettle...

The point isn't superflous, your negative burdon of proof 'x y z' is.

Things generally work the other way in a debate, you make a statement, I refute it, you show the evidence that supports your statement, others are then free to decide if your evidence supports your statement. If it does then great, if it doesn't then fine as well. It's fairly basic stuff.

Pulling in others is pointless.

I've not "pulled in others" in others than highlighting your attempt to isolate my questioning your incorrect statement as something unique to me is not the case. You on the other hand have repeatedly based your trite digs on behalf of "everyone" whom I am apparently trying to convince of something in my "crusade".

An example now, or you are a liar.

I think that is fairly self evident from your string of posts , you seem to often rely on passive jibes at people attacking the post or person rather than debating politely, and then try to garner sympathy as the injured party somehow if you get a reply, now apparently I'm a liar... Time to step away from the keyboard...

I am highlighting your fallacies in approaching certain aspects of this discussion.

Well, I'm not sure they are MY fallacies beyond being an opinion on a topic I don't think any of us know the true facts of. I happily concede I don't know it all, how about you?

Perhaps less time continuing to try to attack me and more time contributing to the debate would be useful. Come on, you can let it go, deep breath and step back.

 

[Biohazard]

How long that take you?

Ok, so you think Madeline's murder or disappearance has nothing to do with a thread called "Madeleine McCanns parents", or they way they behave... Uhh huh...

Not the in's and out's, no.

Yes, you certainly seem to be.. Well done you.

Are you just going to repeat everything I say back to you?

Unfortunately your posting style seems to rely on attacking the post itself or the poster in the most pedantic way possible rather than have a civil debate of the actual points. That or dismiss facts as "superfluous" or "irrelevant" if they seem inconvenient to your point.

Argumentum ad repetition and various other nonsense.

I don't even know what it is you think i'm trying to prove people wrong about, I've just stated my own opinion, wheter people agree with that or not is a choice for them. Are you confused somehow? You're still trying to convince me of my own actions and intents which I have to say I'm fairly confident I know better than you.

Rehashing the same points over ad nauseum.

Ahahahahhaha... Irony at it's best... Hello pot, this is kettle...

Something else you have no evidence for I see. fine.

Things generally work the other way in a debate, you make a statement, I refute it, you show the evidence that supports your statement, others are then free to decide if your evidence supports your statement. If it does then great, if it doesn't then fine as well. It's fairly basic stuff.

Evidence all your statements first then.

And yes, your stipulations were negative burden.

I've not "pulled in others" in others than highlighting your attempt to isolate my questioning your incorrect statement as something unique to me is not the case.

That doesn't even make sense.

Yes you did, you said "two other people have said this about you".

That's pulling people in, if you haven't noticed.

You on the other hand have repeatedly based your trite digs on behalf of "everyone" whom I am apparently trying to convince of something in my "crusade".

More lies I see, quote me doing as such..

I think that is fairly self evident from your string of posts , you seem obsessed with jibes at people attacking the post or person rather than debating politely, now I'm a liar... Time to step away from the keyboard...

Yes you are a liar if you cannot show I have attacked posters.

Again, you are the only person with such a problem with me at present.

Rings bells, doesn't it?

Well, I'm not sure they are MY fallacies beyond being an opinion on a topic I don't think any of us know the true facts of. I happily concede I don't know it all, how about you?

Dismissing incidents because you don't like a point brought is a logical fallacy.

"Number 2 in particular sounds pretty much impossible from a time point of view which leads me to question the others."

Your own words. [post 281 before you start your next batch of nonsense]

Perhaps less time continuing to try to attack me and more time contributing to the debate would be useful. Come on, you can let it go, deep breath and step back.

We had went back to the debate if you hadn't noticed..

 

[elmuzzy66.]

Hope that after the uk police finish with their investigation they bring charges agaisnt the McCanns.

 

[lixxus]

Athanor could you please refrain from posting because you are spamming this thread and if you feel so strongly about the case why don't you go out there and help find her, rather than attacking peoples opinions.

The general view among people even though you may not except it. The PARENTS are morons and as a result a innocent child is missing/dead.

The crap about its was a mistake is a load of BS.

You don't leave children alone unattended for hours on end to go and get ****ed in the Bar.

Further More in a foreigner country.

This is irresponsible.

 

[Vonhelmet]

Hope that after the uk police finish with their investigation they bring charges agaisnt the McCanns.

If they were going to bring charges, I'm sure they would have done so by now. I can't see them doing it now, unless they're deliberately waiting right until whatever statute of limitations exists is about to expire just on the off chance that she turns up.

 

[Craig1981]

Exactly! You dont leave kids alone for hours at a time, regardless of what your doing. You either take them out with you or you leave someone behind to watch them.

They should have faced criminal charges for their utter neglegance.

 

[Biohazard]

If they were going to bring charges, I'm sure they would have done so by now. I can't see them doing it now, unless they're deliberately waiting right until whatever statute of limitations exists is about to expire just on the off chance that she turns up.

I doubt it, the charge stands regardless.

They aren't interested in that side of things.

 

[Vonhelmet]

I doubt it, the charge stands regardless.

They aren't interested in that side of things.

How do you mean? Surely they can only charge within a given timeframe of the event, or is there no limitation for child neglect/abandonment? I'm assuming that's the only thing they could reasonably be charged with, short of masses of evidence of murder or whatever turning up.

 

[Biohazard]

How do you mean? Surely they can only charge within a given timeframe of the event, or is there no limitation for child neglect/abandonment? I'm assuming that's the only thing they could reasonably be charged with, short of masses of evidence of murder or whatever turning up.

No I think there would be a statute of limitations somewhere.

I meant if she turns up or not, they endangered the safety of their child regardless.

It shouldn't be out of sympathy not to charge them, plenty other people are on a daily basis and the state shows them no compassion.

 

[Macro]

*snip* a bunch or inaccurate twaddle..
Again, you are the only person with such a problem with me at present.

Rings bells, doesn't it?

Certainly does, you don't seem to be able to control your urge to somehow prove me wrong. I still have no idea what point it is you're trying to prove other than somehow I'm wrong about something.

Nice try at trying to reverse things though, let's just remember you replied to my posts first with an attack. You're the one stalking my posts with fantasies of me being on a crusade, trying to prove everyone else wrong and other twaddle as well continually insisting you know what I think and intend better than I do.

All very odd...

Now having run out of any sensible argument you're on to tediously childish accusations of "being a liar", I mean really, playground level stuff? I get it, you don't like me, I wish I could say I'm interested beyond your need to contest my every post is tedious at best, but I suppose if it makes you feel better...

 

[Biohazard]

Certainly does, you don't seem to be able to control your urge to somehow prove me wrong. I still have no idea what point it is you're trying to prove other than somehow I'm wrong about something.

Nice try at trying to reverse things though, let's just remember you replied to my posts first with an attack. You're the one stalking my posts with fantasies of me being on a crusade, trying to prove everyone else wrong and other twaddle as well continually insisting you know what I think and intend better than I do.

All very odd...

Now having run out of any sensible argument you're on to tediously childish accusations of "being a liar", I mean really, playground level stuff? I get it, you don't like me, I wish I could say I'm interested beyond your need to contest my every post is tedious at best, but I suppose if it makes you feel better...

Are you going to apologise for calling me a liar yet, or are you going to apologise for calling me one in SC the other day also?

Funny, people were telling you there that you were the only one with a problem. People are also asking you to stop posting in here too. Similarity any?

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=19097450&postcount=208

If you aren't mature up enough to hold rationale debate, or admit you are wrong when you are, don't.

I suggest instead of apologising, you issue one of your 'truce' statements again maybe?

[troll face.jpg]

 

[teejay73]

Before you come to a conclusion about anything, always note the source and any motivation they have to produce what they do. It's clearly a biased article trying to defend the Portugeuse police. Portugal has taken a huge financial hit since this incident and continues to do so.

I don't care what happened, I personally think Cameron is a complete idiot to authorise the investigation. It shows him as a weak leader only influenced by "ratings" and I hope the hundreds of other of families with missing kids speak out.

I think that when trying to come to a personal conclusion on any matter, wisdom tells you to listen to both sides of a story, yes for sure there are holes in the theory that the Mcanns had something to do with their Daughters disappearance and there is no conclusive evidence in the public domain that makes them guilty, though through reading that transcript, one gets the real impression that all is not what it seems from the Mcanns.

I doubt very much the integrity of the author of that blog\article, though she is highlighting fact based on a book that was initially banned from publication in the uk (coincidentally it has now been granted uk publication rights), written by the main investigating police officer Gonçalo Amaral, who is telling his reasons for lack of evidence suggesting abduction.

My gut feeling is that the Mcanns have knowledge of what happened to Maddy and the wherabouts of her body, this of course is all conjecture and just my opinion, though you have to ask that after reading police reports that they believe Madeleine died at that apartment, then why do her parents still want to divert attention to the their belief that she was abducted and what evidence do they have to dispel the Portuguese police forces claims?

I doubt that Portugals financial mess has been impacted by the Madeleine Mcann case, more likely the Financial crisis of 2008 which has taken it`s toll on the country.

 

[Mr-White]

Anyone else think the McCanns are like the Daisy Harris murder sketch on Monkey Dust

MW

 

[Macro]

Athanor could you please refrain from posting because you are spamming this thread and if you feel so strongly about the case why don't you go out there and help find her, rather than attacking peoples opinions.

The general view among people even though you may not except it. The PARENTS are morons and as a result a innocent child is missing/dead.

The crap about its was a mistake is a load of BS.

You don't leave children alone unattended for hours on end to go and get ****ed in the Bar.

Further More in a foreigner country.

This is irresponsible.

Hang on - I'm just having to reply to Biohazzrds posts taking a pop at me. I've said frequently in the thread the parents are negligent at best or murders at worst and if they are they should spend a life in prison or be strung up.

No where have I said its OK to leave a child unattended, or that I like the parents. I said I could understand a parent doing anything, even whore themselves to the media if there was the slightest chance they genuinely didn't do away with Maddie and there was any chance she was alive.

 

[pmbuzz]

There is something very, very dodgy about them. No doubt about it.

I think the most likely scenario is that they involuntarily killed her, disposed of the body and then said she went missing/was taken.

Yea, just like Jo Yeates' landlord Chris Jeffries and he definitely did it, didn't he ?

 

[Macro]

Are you going to apologise for calling me a liar yet, or are you going to apologise for calling me one in SC the other day also?

Funny, people were telling you there that you were the only one with a problem. People are also asking you to stop posting in here too. Similarity any?

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=19097450&postcount=208

If you aren't mature up enough to hold rationale debate, or admit you are wrong when you are, don't.

I suggest instead of apologising, you issue one of your 'truce' statements again maybe?

[troll face.jpg]

Please show me where in this thread I said you are a liar.


How's pulling people into it now - nice to see it's ok for you to do though
Nice to see your version of events still bares no relation to reality. "Which people in the other thread asked me to stop posting? link? No one said "I was the only person with a problem with you". One person said they have no problem with your tone. Hardly the same thing