Why should they get any kind of disciplinary if the company is happy to let them off with it? it's upto a company to decide if they want to be strict about abscence
"I can't come in to work as I'm sick - I'm too hung over to drive to work."
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Why should they get any kind of disciplinary if the company is happy to let them off with it? it's upto a company to decide if they want to be strict about abscence
Someone else will have to pick up the slack for that person's absenteeism. That either means someone coming in on their day off or everyone else working harder. Both of which are unfair on these employees. Also, UK businesses lose a fortune every year due to people taking unnecessary sick leave.
Disciplinary action would have been wise, imo.
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When working in retail I once, in 4 years working there, had far too much to drink the night before a shift, which was on a Sunday morning. I was really hungover the next day but I just rang my mum and asked her if she'd take me, which she did.
I spent my shift as white as a sheet with the sweats, feeling like I was going to vom and probably looking like it too. Got a talking to by my manager when I left, saying that as it was the first time it'd ever happened she'd let it go this time but wasn't happy with me - I didn't blame her, I NEVER wanted to go to work feeling like that again. So it never happened again.
Didn't help that I was working at the Disney Store at the time - loud Disney music, VERY bright lights, and screaming, tantruming children - bad times
These days I never drink on a worknight - standing trying to teach 29 children with a hangover wouldn't be the best.
I spent my shift as white as a sheet with the sweats, feeling like I was going to vom and probably looking like it too. Got a talking to by my manager when I left, saying that as it was the first time it'd ever happened she'd let it go this time but wasn't happy with me - I didn't blame her, I NEVER wanted to go to work feeling like that again. So it never happened again.
Didn't help that I was working at the Disney Store at the time - loud Disney music, VERY bright lights, and screaming, tantruming children - bad times
These days I never drink on a worknight - standing trying to teach 29 children with a hangover wouldn't be the best.
If it was just a one off fair enough, I'd rather work for a company that could deal with people being honest and give a little slack for one off incidences. If its happening regularly then its not fair on the other staff at the very least and shouldn't be tolerated.
Only in the private sector. In local government / public sector it would just be a case of "sorry Fred isn't today, try calling again tomorrow"
Prob depends on the job tbh... As long as the person wasn't expecting paid sick leave and as long as it wasn't a regular occurrence then I don't see why putting it down as a day's holiday or unpaid leave would be a big problem.
Obv if their absence mean you are short staffed or they're missing an important meeting then that's a different matter. At least they're being open/up front about it 'I'm hungover its probably best that I take a day off' - better that than them getting paid to come in hungover and essentially be incapable of doing much work anyway.
Another point is that if you clamp down too hard on this sort of thing - petty verbal warnings or putting this down on someone's record then they're just going to lie. Then next time someone gets hungover (not everyone is a saint) they'll just lie, call in sick - receive paid sick leave and maybe take a second day off too just to make sure it didn't look like an obvious sickie.
if the company is happy to deal with people taking sickies once in a while by simply not paying them and their circumstances allow for the work load is easily distributed then that is their perogative, it may be unfair on other employees if they have to take up the slack but I doubt they will complain when they need a day off at some point.
I used to work in a popular fast food resturant and it was come place. So much so infact that most shifts I used to run as a manager on average 2 people wouldnt turn up or would phone in sick with a bull**** reason.
People who regularly phoned is sick basically used to get there hours cut. And when asked why they have there hours cut it was `becuase of the needs of the business` so yeah there are always ways around people who behaved like that and they didnt amount to much. Most used to leave rather quick after only getting 1 shift a week.
People who regularly phoned is sick basically used to get there hours cut. And when asked why they have there hours cut it was `becuase of the needs of the business` so yeah there are always ways around people who behaved like that and they didnt amount to much. Most used to leave rather quick after only getting 1 shift a week.
Maybe where you workOnly in the private sector. In local government / public sector it would just be a case of "sorry Fred isn't today, try calling again tomorrow"
Certainly not the case here.Personally I'd give them an unpaid day and have a word when they came in letting them know if there is a next time it will be an official warning. I don't want to be a crap manager allowing good employees to take up the slack for others. Not everyone needs favours from their managers to get days off.
The person mentioned in the op does not need a day off. They have no good reason not to be at work.
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What is wrong with unpaid sick leave?
He didn't get paid, and he didn't work, I believe balanced has been achieved.
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Not being daft.
I also hate when a conversation is like below:
"Morning, how are you?"
"oh, I am sooooo ill"
"why? what's wrong? Want me to make you a cuppa?"
"I was out last night drinking, got the worse hangover, I am so ill"
"Hangover isn't being ill. A cold is being ill, having HIV is being ill, a hangover is not being ill"
*walks off at this point*
Anybody else get pee'd off when some-one calls a hangover as "being ill?"
I also hate when a conversation is like below:
"Morning, how are you?"
"oh, I am sooooo ill"
"why? what's wrong? Want me to make you a cuppa?"
"I was out last night drinking, got the worse hangover, I am so ill"
"Hangover isn't being ill. A cold is being ill, having HIV is being ill, a hangover is not being ill"
*walks off at this point*
Anybody else get pee'd off when some-one calls a hangover as "being ill?"
Need/want semantics
if someone feels too unwell to work then they need the day off, even if it is self inflicted
a hangover is being ill, it's just illness caused by oneself
Seems a bit risky to say you have a hangover, when you can just say stomach ache or whatever.
But I Guess it depends on what the environment is like, In my old job I just used to send my boss a text saying I wouldnt be in, didnt even give a reason helf the time
But I Guess it depends on what the environment is like, In my old job I just used to send my boss a text saying I wouldnt be in, didnt even give a reason helf the time
Maybe where you work
pff I'd never work in the public sector ever again!
I've had several bosses over the past 10 years, the best one by a country mile was the guy who did things "off the record". i.e. you want a day off at short notice or you want to come in late for a personal matter - no problem just make up a few extra hours later in the week or week after (provided there were no important meetings or something that day).
He trusted his employees and as long as the work was getting done he left us to it. Morale was up, boss had huge respect from his team, everyone was happy - it was a great team. We even went on nights out together.
Other "micro" managers I've worked for (like a few people in this thread appear to be) always ended up with a miserable team who were "watching" each other, talking behind each others backs about who's doing more work etc. and productivity was down.
There should be some give and take. Granted, not if you make a habit out of coming in hung over but once in a blue moon should be considered a non-event if that person is otherwise a decent employee.
Thats the thing really, we can say fair play by being honest, but personally I would tell that person not to bother coming back to work.
It's unacceptable when trying to run a business. Makes you wonder what kind of business let that employee get away with just an unpaid sick day.