All currently available apollo moon footage

SexyGreyFox · 12 May 2011 at 07:57

Actually I went through a period of time where I 100% believed that man couldn't go through the Van Allen Belt.
It might have been the famous Fox Moon Landing documentary that did it.
Even though I dismissed all the other stuff like waving flags and twinkly stars the bit about the Van Allen belt really stuck in my head and I totally fell for it.
It was a couple of years later when I must have watched another documentary where it explained (if I remember) that the astronaut is only in it for 3 minutes and it's like having 2 chest x-rays.

And like Angilion said above, the technology to fake the Moon landings would have to be way more advanced than going to the moon for real.
I was watching footage last night from When We Left Earth of the first space walk and I was thinking of the CGI expertise to fake it and it couldn't be done even now.

Metalface Mark · 12 May 2011 at 08:05

Flukester said:
At the time of the landings though USSR probably had resources available if current tech allowed such a undertaking, I still can't believe they did not try

The very fact that the two powers were at loggerheads for 'world firsts' make faking even more attractive.

Just my 2p

edit: didn't China also recently get caught out faking space walks ? (or maybe that was just a fake in itself)

The Russians did try, but their chief designer who had designed their lunar rocket, Korolov had died a few years before and they never had anyone with brains or balls to replace him. Their N1 rocket was plagued with problems, after problems with everyone they launched blowing up, they effectively gave up trying much to the disapointment of Alexei Leonov, who was to be the first man on the moon for the Russians.

You should read some books about and educate yourself.

Metalface Mark · 12 May 2011 at 08:12

dmpoole said:
Actually I went through a period of time where I 100% believed that man couldn't go through the Van Allen Belt.
It might have been the famous Fox Moon Landing documentary that did it.
Even though I dismissed all the other stuff like waving flags and twinkly stars the bit about the Van Allen belt really stuck in my head and I totally fell for it.
It was a couple of years later when I must have watched another documentary where it explained (if I remember) that the astronaut is only in it for 3 minutes and it's like having 2 chest x-rays.

And like Angilion said above, the technology to fake the Moon landings would have to be way more advanced than going to the moon for real.
I was watching footage last night from When We Left Earth of the first space walk and I was thinking of the CGI expertise to fake it and it couldn't be done even now.

It could be easily done now, but it obviously couldnt be done at the time.

Im curious though as to what experts Flukester has seen saying they are impassible, could you link us to these experts to back up your claims please?

ubersonic · 12 May 2011 at 09:10

HAHA, I can't believe that the are still moon sceptics around in this day and age, some people will just believe things no matter how stupid just because they want desperately to believe in something unorthodox.

1. getting to the moon is very easy, all you have to do is escape the atmosphere, point in the right direction and apply thrust, once halfway the moons mavity takes over, the same is true for earth's mavity on the return trip.

2. the USSR tracked Apollo 11 all the way there and all the way back, they had no problem with it, if it was a fake they would easily have outed the USA and made their enemies look like a joke.

3. the USSR didn't just say"aww" when Armstrong's foot hit the surface and give up on space, they continued with their unmanned moon missions (the only point of sending a man to the moon was to look at a camera, machines could do the scientific jobs better/safer) and im sure if the Soviet probes had found the Apollo lander to be paper mache something would have been said ^^.

Flukester said:
At the time of the landings though USSR probably had resources available if current tech allowed such a undertaking, I still can't believe they did not try

The very fact that the two powers were at loggerheads for 'world firsts' make faking even more attractive.

1. the Soviet N1 rocket was way more advanced than the Saturn and that was its downfall, all 4 test rockets were destroyed at immense cost and in one case catastrophic damage to the launch facility.

2. Kennedy proposed the USSR/USA unite for the moon and Khrushchev was poised to accept but Kennedys assassination scuppered things as Khrushchev did not trust his replacement as much.

The Funktopus · 12 May 2011 at 12:26

One has to wonder; have conspiracy theories become the 21st century equivalent of a religion?

ubersonic · 12 May 2011 at 13:21

The Funktopus said:
One has to wonder; have conspiracy theories become the 21st century equivalent of a religion?

What? one involves believing in implausible nonsense and the other is believing in conspiracy theories?

Just kidding but in seriousness the is a big difference, as far as religion goes any decent scientist will admit that the are things in this world that simply cannot be explained by science alone, the are questions that only religion can offer an answer too (and some that even it cannot).

The difference is that most conspiracy theories have pretty simple and pretty plausible/provable answers however the conspiracy nuts choose not to believe them and instead choose to believe a more unlikely answer just because the simple one cannot be correct.

Combat squirrel · 15 May 2011 at 12:27

ubersonic said:
Just kidding but in seriousness the is a big difference, as far as religion goes any decent scientist will admit that the are things in this world that simply cannot be explained by science alone, the are questions that only religion can offer an answer too (and some that even it cannot).

Epic of massive epic fails that statement, may as well tackle you as well. 'any decent scientist will admit that the are things in this world that simply cannot be explained by science alone' - are you kidding me ? read that back to yourself.

I won't even quote the religion back in my words, that's mental, actually lock you up and throw away the key level of mental, ironically its exactly as mental as the conspiracy theory nuts your lamping and saying they find it easier to believe the utterly mental stuff, yet you still say the above, which drags you down to exactly there level of unbelievable idiocy.

Ill set you on your way in life with this statement:

Any decent scientist will NEVER admit there are things in this world that cannot be explained by science, he will simply say, 'THERE ARE THINGS THAT SCIENCE IS YET TO EXPLAIN IN THIS WORLD, ITS JUST A MATTER OF TIME AND UNDERSTANDING IN THE EVER CONTINUING UNDERSTANDING OF OUR EXISTENCE '

w3bbo · 15 May 2011 at 14:43

Like Flukester, I like a good conspiracy theory. At first glance the theory that the moon landings were faked are plausible (iirc one theory was that is was filmed in the Arizona desert and was re-enacted to great effect).

However, with just a little bit of readily available research, common sense and an unbiased outlook it is quite obvious that the US did it and it can only be disputed by those who are easily led.

davieg · 15 May 2011 at 15:09

Aren't there mirrors placed on the surface of the moon that we use to this day to measure how far its moving away with lasers and such? And as far as I can gather its not restricted to certain places being able to use them, anyone with the right equipment can too, and not one person has come out and said hang on these bloody mirrors aren't there??
Oh hang on someone just took a lucky shot and threw em up there.

Tefal · 15 May 2011 at 15:11

davieg said:
Aren't there mirrors placed on the surface of the moon that we use to this day to measure how far its moving away with lasers and such? And as far as I can gather its not restricted to certain places being able to use them, anyone with the right equipment can too, and not one person has come out and said hang on these bloody mirrors aren't there??
Oh hang on someone just took a lucky shot and threw em up there.

yep they do exist.

Quite awesome mirror too, they reflect light back along the path it took to arrive, instead of off at an equal angle like a normal mirror.

davieg · 15 May 2011 at 15:14

Yeah just reading about them now, quite clever unfortunately they're getting too dusty to use or something along them lines.

Pete19s · 15 May 2011 at 15:43

davieg said:
Aren't there mirrors placed on the surface of the moon that we use to this day to measure how far its moving away with lasers and such? And as far as I can gather its not restricted to certain places being able to use them, anyone with the right equipment can too, and not one person has come out and said hang on these bloody mirrors aren't there??
Oh hang on someone just took a lucky shot and threw em up there.

In one of the previous threads one of the CT's was that there were no mirrors and it was infact just the lasers being reflected off the moon itself. Followed by its impossible because the moon is thousands of miles away and its moving so you can't hit it.

Amp34 · 15 May 2011 at 15:46

Combat squirrel said:
Epic of massive epic fails that statement, may as well tackle you as well. 'any decent scientist will admit that the are things in this world that simply cannot be explained by science alone' - are you kidding me ? read that back to yourself.

I won't even quote the religion back in my words, that's mental, actually lock you up and throw away the key level of mental, ironically its exactly as mental as the conspiracy theory nuts your lamping and saying they find it easier to believe the utterly mental stuff, yet you still say the above, which drags you down to exactly there level of unbelievable idiocy.

Ill set you on your way in life with this statement:

Any decent scientist will NEVER admit there are things in this world that cannot be explained by science, he will simply say, 'THERE ARE THINGS THAT SCIENCE IS YET TO EXPLAIN IN THIS WORLD, ITS JUST A MATTER OF TIME AND UNDERSTANDING IN THE EVER CONTINUING UNDERSTANDING OF OUR EXISTENCE '

Here, here! It's all about what we currently know, not what we will never know!

Metalface Mark · 15 May 2011 at 15:56

davieg said:
Yeah just reading about them now, quite clever unfortunately they're getting too dusty to use or something along them lines.

I dont understand that as there is nothing to make dust move around on the moon.

davieg · 15 May 2011 at 16:02

Pete19s said:
In one of the previous threads one of the CT's was that there were no mirrors and it was infact just the lasers being reflected off the moon itself. Followed by its impossible because the moon is thousands of miles away and its moving so you can't hit it.

Shows moon not reflecting enough light back to say its just the moon reflecting it back.
Shows the point on where they aim at the mirror and the difference of light returned.
And just because somethings miles away doesn't mean its hard to hit, or pilots would be pretty screwed too landing on carriers etc, yeah there is a speed difference but theory is pretty similar.

Metalface Mark said:
I dont understand that as there is nothing to make dust move around on the moon.

http://www.newscientist.com/article...-on-the-moon-obscure-tests-of-relativity.html

Link about the dust problem, yeah am not sure how that works either, maybe dust still settling from meteors etc, but thats just a guess.

Combat squirrel · 15 May 2011 at 16:26

Metalface Mark said:
I dont understand that as there is nothing to make dust move around on the moon.

Im going to hazard a random guess plucked out of the depths of my mind here. Electrostatic forces. When you shoot a laser at the mirror on the moon it will electrically alter its charged state, so with moon dust being incredibly fine it will slowly and surely build up as the dust is pulled toward the instrument. Zero atmosphere and 1/6 mavity, there is little to stop even this tiny electrostatic force.

Just a guess though.

Amp34 · 15 May 2011 at 16:54

Flukester said:
None of us here are experts enough in any of this to debunk a theory like radiation. You believe XYZ expert, I believe others... doesn't make either of our beliefs any less plausible (or wrong to have)

Where are these experts? Are these experts people who write rubbish on blogs they own or people that write papers and get them published in reputable journals?

For example do some searching here and see what the consensus is...

http://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...ce9a521d90be839413367e3b2c07ab2f&searchtype=a

I'm betting most of those experts will not be suggesting people couldn't get through...

MachM · 15 May 2011 at 17:17

Stupot_ said:
Not moon landings but if you haven't seen this yet it is incredible

Lots of slow mo shots of a space shuttle launch, absolutely stunning pictures, and narration. Watch full screen in HD.

That was fantastic!

ThriceNightly · 15 May 2011 at 18:10

Combat squirrel said:
Give me £4000 and ill tell you the real truths of this world my very lost and confused friend, thats a bargain that, now now hand over the money, want to do a bank transfer ?

Here ya are:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1491301153783337827#

watch that

just happened along this thread and clicked on this 90min video link. really inspirational and educational stuff :cool:

. I'm about halfway through it and looking forward to the rest (after tea) thanks

arknor · 15 May 2011 at 18:35

JRS said:
Flukester - do me a favour, go read Andy Chaikin's book "A Man On The Moon" and then come back and tell me the Apollo missions were faked. Hell, read "Lost Moon" while you're at it, and then come back and tell me that Jim Lovell and his crew weren't on the way to the Moon on Apollo 13 when that oxygen tank grenaded itself.

And if you could come up with a slightly more convincing argument that doesn't involve re-stating debunked theories, bad science, un-truths and insanely large leaps of illogic as usually happens when hoax theorists try and say that man never went to the Moon, that'd be so great.

go read lord of the rings and then tell me that didnt happen