Capitalism is only flawed in the eyes of those who subject it to the provisions of socialism. That doesn't mean it is flawed, it means it does not concern itself with socialist ideals.
Arthur Scargill the socialist
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Capitalism is only flawed in the eyes of those who subject it to the provisions of socialism. That doesn't mean it is flawed, it means it does not concern itself with socialist ideals.
Another who ignores society in preference to the greed of the minority.
Wow, I don't really care.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_midlands/7362226.stm
I don't know about recent contract reforms, but the fact is that what I was was not "complete rubbish" - I have family (in Birmingham) who used to take home this kind of money at the end of a year. Like I said it depends(ed) on the local authority.
And that excluded the bonus ^. Are we just going to start quoting news articles all day?
I don't know about recent contract reforms, but the fact is that what I was was not "complete rubbish" - I have family (in Birmingham) who used to take home this kind of money at the end of a year. Like I said it depends(ed) on the local authority.
I don't believe for a second that binmen earning over 30k is the norm anymore.
You started it?
What else are we going to do if we all come from different local authorities?
Neither do I, it wasn't even anywhere near like that up here in the first place.
So no, generalisations don't work normally.
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Because I was accused by Castiel of talking "complete rubbish" (pun intended maybe), when I wasn't.
Exactly.
It was in Birmingham, at least.
Society is a normative concept, society is a collective term for individuals, it is not some singular entity. The minority of which you speak is a component of society. Besides which, what 'minority' are you referring to?
You ain't making a lick of sense, son.
Well you were, you said they earned about 50k and they don't, and I'd guess it'd be no where near it on average.
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The guy is a crook.
You could be clear, instead of talking in riddles to deflect from your defunct argument.
More people thrive under capitalism than would under socialism. That's why it continues to be the most prevalent system of economic organisation in the world.
If everybody received an equal share of output, regardless of how much input they contribute, where is the incentive to even create the output in the first place? These are basic considerations that socialism has failed to address since day one.
It was hardly a riddle, was it now?
It was blantly obvious.
And where did you get this golden nugget from?
It was given to us from the capitalist class. It wasn't a hippy movement we all screamed for.
I don't think it could work like that, I prefer a distributing system of wealth within capitalism.
Although this has little to do with my point, both systems are corrupted.
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Where did I?
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Yeah and I didn't say £50k was anywhere near typical, but refuse collectors have taken it home before after maxing out overtime. I think I even said it was "rare".
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That totally depends on what bonus's you get for overtime. My job for example gives 25% on overtime till 48 hours where it becomes 50%.
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In getting enjoyment from life? That's the only thing that really matters, if centuries of scientific discovery and decades of space exploration have taught us anything it's that above all else - Humanity, Earth, everything we ever do... it all amounts to jack squat. Ultimately our race will die, probably sooner rather than later, to be forgotten forever. It will not matter at all if we existed or not. I can not see how somebody can draw any conclusion from this other than the pressing need for us to deal more kindly with one another, and devote our lives to the only thing that will ever, ever give us the slightest hint of a purpose. That being happy, and helping others to do the same.
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Excellent, another Superewza utopia thread - I really reading enjoy these.
Superewza, I have asked you this quite a few times now but you have completely ignored it every time.
What would happen to me and the rest of us (most people) who do not want your system? Are we re-educated? Please answer
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Superewza, I have asked you this quite a few times now but you have completely ignored it every time.
What would happen to me and the rest of us (most people) who do not want your system? Are we re-educated? Please answer
.Excellent, another Superewza utopia thread - I really reading enjoy these.
Superewza, I have asked you this quite a few times now but you have completely ignored it every time.
What would happen to me and the rest of us (most people) who do not want your system? Are we re-educated? Please answer
Well what happens just now when people don't want this system?
Because it is complete rubbish, you stated that their average earnings are (as in currently) £30k or as much as £40k to £50k with overtime, when in fact their basic wage is far lower and they may have reached £30k with overtime under old contracts (although I doubt that was the average) and it is abundantly clear that no-one earns that today, in fact some earn just above minimum wage and no one earns £50k then or now.
I gave plenty of real world positions and their advertised pay-scales which illustrate clearly that earning are nowhere near £30k, let alone £40k or £50k. You offered a three year old media story.
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