Britain out of Ireland!

Castiel said:
They are a Scottish Football Club, there is no such thing as British Football as the Associations are divided by country regardless of their union status.

Thus we have Scottish, English and Welsh football clubs, but not British ones.

Anyway, as pointed out, Celtic has deep connections with Ireland and Catholicism hence the issues with sectarianism and the trouble their current manager is having with Loyalist Protestant supporters of Glasgow Rangers (allegedly).
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Its wrong to say theres no such thing as British football because theres no British football association.

There has been in the past (and they are looking at again) an English/Scottish supercup called the Anglo Scottish cup, which was last played in 1982, it was played 6 season in a row.
 
Castiel said:
Britain and it's constituent parts are recognised as a union and individual countries, there is no such recognition for association football.

Celtic have no affiliation to the other Countries in the Union whatsoever, they are only affiliated with the Scottish FA. This makes them a Scottish and not a British club.

Simply put, there is no recognition of a single entity called Britain (or more accurately the UK) in international association football.
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Actually that is also wrong, there is an agreement between the SFA, FA, NIFA and WFA that while all players for all countries are legally allowed to play for each other as they are all British, that they dont as a gentlemans agreement without a birth link to the country.

Scotland could technically have called up David Beckham and Steven Gerrard and England could have taken Kenny Dalglish.
 
Biohazard said:
I don't know, I don't really like the sport.

I know there is a Scottish team though, as my math teacher at highschool was in it and there is a club not far from here.

Not too interested though don't even understand the scoring. :o
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Scottish players at cricket can play for England as well as Scotland, there have been prominent Scottish players play for England over the years.
 
Dabbles said:
Do the Irish greet all heads of state like this on an official state visit?
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No. Most heads of state that visit don't require tens of thousands of Gardaí and the army to be drafted in to nanny them around, causing untold disruption to people's lives and businesses, all at great cost to the (already overburdened) taxpayer. Personal opinion: she should pay for her own holiday.

As has been said, the attitude of most Irish people towards this visit is one of apathy. It's naive of you to expect that diehard republicans are not going to make their voices heard on an occasion such as this.
 
The narrowmindedness of some people can be a truly astounding thing. I'm talking about both the lout in the picture and several of the posters on here. It seems to be alright to post racial slurs and ignorant comments on these boards as long as you perceive some sort of slight to your race, nation or religion has taken place first. I thought you were better than this, GD, but I was wrong, and that makes you no different to the idiots protesting what is supposed to be a state visit of reconciliation and a celebration of our shared heritage and dreams for the future, and that is bloody shameful.
 
Biohazard said:
Firstly, your not my pal and cut the hyperbole.

The ONS would say that of course, but that wasn't the argument I was making.

I think most Scot's, on whatever political agenda, are more aware of their own sitation than you are.

Pal.
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The ONS is a non-political source of data, are you saying this is not true and that they're having a dig at the Scots?

And if your argument is that location is the best qualification of knowledge then this should probably end here. FWIW, I'd love the Scots to cut loose, but it's just not economically viable.
 
Theophany said:
The ONS is a non-political source of data, are you saying this is not true and that they're having a dig at the Scots?

And if your argument is that location is the best qualification of knowledge then this should probably end here. FWIW, I'd love the Scots to cut loose, but it's just not economically viable.
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The problem is, no one actually knows if its viable or not until the oil is divvied up. Even then at the moment, we would have to take what, 50billion in national debt, it wouldnt be a great start to any country.
 
Frame352 said:
Ah, good old OcUK... it never fails to shine when given an opportunity to show just how bigotted and imbecilic it's patrons are. Not that the mods are much better; a thread celebrating Kwerk's work is shut down sharpish, but despite several complaints made against the many offensive posts in this thread, nothing is done. Quel surprise.

Well, go **** yourselves OcUK. Buh bye :)
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I have lost count of how many Irish threads that have been closed, the mods in general can't be arsed with all the heated debate and mud slinging.

simulatorman said:
Didn't notice but you must remember that she is 85.
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I know but she did look very like her mother yesterday, which just goes to show how quickly time passes.

Cuchulain said:
Getting the bus back from Dublin to sign on probably.
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DLA, drug dealing and what ever else, that a side they will just phone in sick.
 
semi-pro waster said:
Wouldn't it be nicer of you to ask if they want a seat in the car? There's probably enough space that you don't need to kidnap them and put them in the boot.

Although if you want to go kidnapping all the Old Firm fans who hate each other without knowing why and dump them all together somewhere well out of the way of normal civilisation you've got my full support - I'll even chip in a bit for petrol.
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That would take organisation and manpower of near biblical proportions!

I did think of the phonebox analagy first, but I thought that partially too generous in terms of allocated space..



semi-pro waster said:
If you're being really picky then Celtic play in the SPL rather than the SFL as do the other 11 teams that make up the Scottish Premier League. :p
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Whoops. Been a while since I've had any panani sticker books :p

semi-pro waster said:
However it's all slightly pointless semantics in that we can understand the intention of pointing out that Celtic are both Scottish and in a wider sense British - it just depends where you are viewing it from, to someone from the British Isles then it might be a close enough level to make a distinction, to a Russian for instance the distinction is probably insignificant and the wider grouping of British makes more sense.
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English more like... :p

In the context of the picture, I think it's midly irrelevent calling the team British. It is obvious the young chap intends to evoke the Irish historical leanings in wearing it in that scenario..

Yes, it's samantics. But the kid isn't an idiot for wearing the top like the OP was mistaken about...
 
Theophany said:
The ONS is a non-political source of data, are you saying this is not true and that they're having a dig at the Scots?
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The ONS isn't the source of the data though, is it?

I don't agree with the figure, neither do Scottish government staticians but that has little to do, again, with the point raised.

Theophany said:
And if your argument is that location is the best qualification of knowledge then this should probably end here. FWIW, I'd love the Scots to cut loose, but it's just not economically viable.
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Not qualification, just awareness.

I've made this more than evidently clear.
 
Metalface Mark said:
The problem is, no one actually knows if its viable or not until the oil is divvied up. Even then at the moment, we would have to take what, 50billion in national debt, it wouldnt be a great start to any country.
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Which is only 10% of the UK debt.

The UK cannot continue as it has been for the next 100 years, it'll fall apart.
 
Metalface Mark said:
The problem is, no one actually knows if its viable or not until the oil is divvied up. Even then at the moment, we would have to take what, 50billion in national debt, it wouldnt be a great start to any country.
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On the face of it, even if we were (as wholly unlikely as it is) to forgo any claim on North Sea Oil, it still isn't viable.

The only way I could imagine it working is if an independent Scotland went down a Singapore/Irish fiscal route, whereby they whore themselves out as a foreign investment honeypot. But with stiff competition from the remainder of the UK speaking the same language, with a greater labour pool and better general infrastructure, they'd need to be offering mad tax incentives.

All conventional economic and business wisdom points to the fact that it would not be possible, at least not at any time in the near future.


Biohazard said:
The ONS isn't the source of the data though, is it?

I don't agree with the figure, neither do Scottish government staticians but that has little to do, again, with the point raised.

Not qualification, just awareness.

I've made this more than evidently clear.
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Well the ONS is as close to the source as you'll get with any relative ease, the point that the data is not biased still stands though. As with any of these statistics we have to look just as much at what is not declared as what is, I'll make a point of looking at Scotland's own figures when I get a chance today.

That being said, I have looked a lot at the data and arguments on the issue (Scottish family and whatnot). I'm no expert on it, but I do have an awareness of the issues which should not discount what I've said thus far.
 
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How do you effectively divvy out the debt? It's a burden that no one would want to carry, no matter how prosperous a country you are. :(
 
ShaolinDreams said:
Cant wait till Britain wins the next World Cup.
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Troll.

Clearly a country pertaining to GB can count.

If I say I hate Europe and go on holiday to Switzerland its a bit hypocritical isnt it? Same as saying you hate GB and yet give money over to an economy based in Scotland..
 
Biohazard said:
Which is only 10% of the UK debt.

The UK cannot continue as it has been for the next 100 years, it'll fall apart.
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Possibly, but it doesnt automatically mean that the solution is for Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales to get independance. That said, if Salmond can steer the ship well for the next term then Id be happy to give them a shot but only after they can prove they can run the country prior to having any vote on independance.

Theophany said:
On the face of it, even if we were (as wholly unlikely as it is) to forgo any claim on North Sea Oil, it still isn't viable.

The only way I could imagine it working is if an independent Scotland went down a Singapore/Irish fiscal route, whereby they whore themselves out as a foreign investment honeypot. But with stiff competition from the remainder of the UK speaking the same language, with a greater labour pool and better general infrastructure, they'd need to be offering mad tax incentives.

All conventional economic and business wisdom points to the fact that it would not be possible, at least not at any time in the near future.
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Scotland being independant would have to show that it could work without oil, while undoubtedly a good proportion of the fields are in Scottish waters, some are also in English and some in Shetland waters which would all have to be divied up. I imagine they would be split 50/50 otherwise Britain would never allow Scotland to seperate.
 
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