Britain out of Ireland!

You are completly missing the point being made.

Nobody us questioning there registration or affiliation. However when talking about them using the English language it is perfectly correct to describe them as British.

I just googled British and this is the definition from dictionary.com



Now take the first point and tell me how that doesn't apply.

Considering I was merely having a little late night fun with words, it seem that some people really are serious....:p

However to answer your carefully considered and googled point...;)

It doesn't apply because the respective Football leagues do not pertain to Britain, but to the respective countries of the Union and their specific peoples, as in Scottish, English and Welsh, rather than British.
 
There would not have been any argument if you'd accepted the fact 3 pages ago

There is no point to accept, you are wrong to call Celtic a British Club, they are a Scottish Club.....if you accepted that fact then we wouldn't have to keep reminding you that was just the least of the stereotypical claptrap that you psoted in your OP about the Northern Irish.

Its wrong to say theres no such thing as British football because theres no British football association.

There has been in the past (and they are looking at again) an English/Scottish supercup called the Anglo Scottish cup, which was last played in 1982, it was played 6 season in a row.

The Anglo-Scottish Cup was a separate league created by the Scottish and English Football League Associations, it had no Association of it's own, which is why, when the Scottish League pulled out, it was discontinued.

It was not and never was intended as a British League Association and it was never officially recognised or instituted as such by the Association Football governing bodies.

So it is wrong to claim it as an example of an Affiliated British Football Association.


Actually that is also wrong, there is an agreement between the SFA, FA, NIFA and WFA that while all players for all countries are legally allowed to play for each other as they are all British, that they dont as a gentlemans agreement without a birth link to the country.

Scotland could technically have called up David Beckham and Steven Gerrard and England could have taken Kenny Dalglish.

Actually they couldn't especially since 1993 when the rules regarding the Home Nations and player eligibility were codified by each Countries FA.

The FIFA rules are generally thus:

1. Any person holding the nationality of a country is eligible to play for the representative teams of the Association of his country. The Executive Committee shall decide on the conditions of eligibility for any Player whose nationality entitles him to represent more than one Association.

2. As a general rule, any Player who has already represented one Association (either in full or in part) in an official competition of any category may not play an international match with another Association team.

3. If a Player has more than one nationality, or if a Player acquires a new nationality, or if the Player is eligible to play for several Association teams due to his nationality, the following exceptions apply:

(a) Up to his 21st birthday, a player may only once request changing the Association for which he is eligible to play international matches. A Player may exercise this right to change Associations only if he has not played at “A” international level for his current Association and if, at the time of his first full or partial appearance in an international match in an official competition of any other category, he already had such nationalities. Changing Associations is not permitted during the preliminary competition of a FIFA competition, continental championship or Olympic Tournaments if a player has already been fielded in a match of one of these competitions.

(b) Any Player who has already acquired eligibility to play for one Association but has another nationality imposed upon him by a government authority, is also entitled to change associations. This provision is not subject to any age limits.

4. Any Player who wishes to exercise this right to change Associations shall submit a written and substantiated request to the FIFA general secretariat. After submitting the request, the player is no longer qualified to play for his current Association’s team. The Players’ Status Committee shall decide on the request. The committee’s decision may be brought before the Appeal Committee. The Regulations for the Status and Transfer of Players contain more detailed provisions.
5. Any Players who have already had their 21st birthday at the time of implementation of these provisions and who fulfil the requirements in par. 3 (a) are also entitled to submit such a request to change Associations. This entitlement will expire definitively twelve months after implementation of this provision."

FIFA leave the eligibility of any given player to the countries FA, most countries this is a straight forward thing, as the nationality or more accurately the citizenship of a player and the overall FA are one and the same, however obviously with the Home Nations this is complicated by the fact that each home nations each have a seperate FA and thus they came to an official and legal agreement (not gentleman's handshake) that is as follows:

A Players holding a British passport is eligible to play for the country of his birth, the country of the birth of either of his natural parents or the country of birth of any of his natural grandparents. If the player, his natural parents and his natural grandparents were born outside the U.K., he may play for the home country of his choice. Our understanding is that once a player has played for one of the home countries, even if it is only a friendly match, the 1993 agreement precludes him playing for another home country.

The FIFA rule change for players under 21 must be followed in the U.K., however. Under U.K. law, a player (or anyone, for that matter) who was born abroad becomes eligible for a British passport after five years of lawful residence in the country, and he thus becomes eligible to play for one of the home countries provided he has not played for another national side in official competition.

So basically all FIFA are considering is the eligibility of a Player to register/play for a specific Association, such as the Scottish, English or French FA etc....it leaves the question of who is eligible via nationality to the Football Associations themselves.

So, as the respective Home Nation Associations are all independent and they have a codified system of rules regarding eligibility it is indeed correct to refer to the teams which are affiliated to the respective Associations by their respective Home Nation, for example Celtic are a Scottish Club, rather than a British one.....:p


Isn't arguing about Football Associations and eligibility far more fun than expressing hatred for the Irish, or British depending on which side of the divide you sit on....;)
 
Differences in political beliefs away from centralism are not racist and certainly not bigoted.

What have political beliefs got to do with it? If someone is anti-British it means they have a deep seated hatred of the British people or the country.

That is what the term means.
 
Considering I was merely having a little late night fun with words, it seem that some people really are serious....:p

However to answer your carefully considered and googled point...;)

It doesn't apply because the respective Football leagues do not pertain to Britain, but to the respective countries of the Union and their specific peoples, as in Scottish, English and Welsh, rather than British.

You are a Troll
 
Isn't arguing about Football Associations and eligibility far more fun than expressing hatred for the Irish, or British depending on which side of the divide you sit on....;)

You may also simply be an idiot. I haven't come to a conclusion yet

I can't see why when arguing usage of the English language you feel that FIFA eligibility rules have any bearing.
 
You may also simply be an idiot. I haven't come to a conclusion yet

I can't see why when arguing usage of the English language you feel that FIFA eligibility rules have any bearing.

You cannot grasp a simple concept yet you have the audacity to call me an idiot....:rolleyes:

I always find it quite amusing when people resort to inane insults when they cannot compete in a debate.
 
You cannot grasp a simple concept yet you have the audacity to call me an idiot....:rolleyes:

I always find it quite amusing when people resort to inane insults when they cannot compete in a debate.

I didn't call you an idiot. I simply mused it was a possibility.

It does seem clear though that you have difficulties with the English language.

And still nothing from you as to why Celtic refer to themselves as a British club.

Just because they are Scottish does not mean they can not also be accurately described as British.
 
I didn't call you an idiot. I simply mused it was a possibility.

It does seem clear though that you have difficulties with the English language.

And still nothing from you as to why Celtic refer to themselves as a British club.

Just because they are Scottish does not mean they can not also be accurately described as British.

You made the accusation by implication. It constitutes a personal attack regardless of your attempt to deflect.

I addressed the latter point in a previous post, as I have explained extensively why they cannot be accurately described as a British Club. I am not responsible for your lack of comprehension.

There is currently no such entity as a British Football Club, they are all affliated with their Home Nations and should accurately be referred to as such.

It is a simple thing to understand.
 
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You made the accusation by implication. It constitutes a personal attack regardless of your attempt to deflect.

I addressed the latter point in a previous post, as I have explained extensively why they cannot be accurately described as a British Club. I am not responsible for your lack of comprehension.

There is currently no such entity as a British Football Club, they are all affliated with their Home Nations and should accurately be referred to as such.

It is a simple thing to understand.

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Do you not understand the English language at all? In the English language the word British means of Britain or the British Isles. In the English language hence it is correct to refer to Celtic as a British football team - as they themselves do. It doesn't negate them being Scottish. At no point have I made reference to any affiliation with any other body or nation. I am just talking about the perfectly correct use of an adjective.

You still have not given any answer to counter the fact the club refers to itself as a British football club.
 
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Do you not understand the English language at all? In the English language the word British means of Britain or the British Isles. In the English language hence it is correct to refer to Celtic as a British football team - as they themselves do.

You still have not given any answer to counter the fact the club refers to itself as a British football club.

I have, it is irrelevant as I have explained, giving supported evidence why it is the case.

I understand the English Language perfectly, but as your argument now seems to consist of adolescent gifs and insults, it would appear that it is not I who has the problem understanding simple reasoning.

I will say it once more.....

The clubs are only affiliated to and a part of, each respective home nation, they have no official connection to the UK as a whole, thus they should accurately be described by the home nation to which they hold their affiliation, in Celtic's case that would be Scotland, making Celtic a Scottish Football Club rather than a British one, which would not be an accurate way to describe them as that implies they belong to a British Association, which of course they do not. For the purposes of Association Football teams Britain is simply not a recognised entity.

And you call me the Troll......now where's my Ironing board.......:p
 
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Word of the day: semantics.

Celtic could put they are all advocates of strawberry sundaes, on their website.. Doesn't mean it's factually accurate or relevant. Scottish team, playing in a Scottish league. End of.

Scotland is part of Britain, yes, but there is no British FA, so therefore you cannot directly call Celtic a British team (by association)
 
Word of the day: semantics.

Celtic could put they are all advocates of strawberry sundaes, on their website.. Doesn't mean it's factually accurate or relevant. Scottish team, playing in a Scottish league. End of.

Scotland is part of Britain, yes, but there is no British FA, so therefore you cannot directly call Celtic a British team (by association)

Precisely...:)
 
What the hell is this thread?

People raging about all-too-familar loudmouth, sloping forebrow minority whilst displaying enough bigotry to make good bedfellows themselves, followed by a missed-the-point semantics session, and to top it all off now GD knows better about Celtic than Celtic themselves...

I eagerly await the next thrilling episode in this chapter, where a resurrected DVDBunny bursts in to tell of his amazing discovery that the world is flat, only to be flatly contradicted by GD who inform him that it cannot be so as the world is clearly shaped like a trapezoid (as this gives more results on Google and there is a Wikipedia page as 'evidence').
 
Amazing how few people in this thread understood the OP's point which was the glaring hypocrisy of these IRA supporters fighting to get the Protestants out of NI when they themselves have invaded and colonised parts of Scotland through mass immigration and still pledge allegiance to foreign countries and terrorist groups which bomb their host country.

Double standards. The Republican ideology is a fraud.
 
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