Britain out of Ireland!

Ivan Drago said:
Amazing how few people in this thread understood the OP's point which was the glaring hypocrisy of these IRA supporters fighting to get the Protestants out of NI when they themselves have invaded and colonised parts of Scotland through mass immigration and still pledge allegiance to foreign countries and terrorist groups which bomb their host country.

Double standards. The Republican ideology is a fraud.
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I think the majority got the OP's point exactly, they simply didn't care for it much, along with the negative stereotyping of the Northern Irish.
 
Ivan Drago said:
Amazing how few people in this thread understood the OP's point which was the glaring hypocrisy of these IRA supporters fighting to get the Protestants out of NI when they themselves have invaded and colonised parts of Scotland through mass immigration and still pledge allegiance to foreign countries and terrorist groups which bomb their host country.
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1. Scottish Catholics are not in a 'host country', it's their homeland. Deal with it.

2. The IRA do not want to expel Protestants from NI.

3. The IRA did not colonise Scotland.

Jesus.
 
spudbynight said:
What have political beliefs got to do with it? If someone is anti-British it means they have a deep seated hatred of the British people or the country.

That is what the term means.
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Nonsense.

That's what it means to you.

I'm anti British in a political sense if you like, and I am neither racist or bigoted because of it. It isn't about the people as such.

So, no. Not all anti British people are idiots. Generalisations don't work.
 
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Castiel said:
The clubs are only affiliated to and a part of, each respective home nation, they have no official connection to the UK as a whole, thus they should accurately be described by the home nation to which they hold their affiliation, in Celtic's case that would be Scotland, making Celtic a Scottish Football Club rather than a British one, which would not be an accurate way to describe them as that implies they belong to a British Association, which of course they do not. For the purposes of Association Football teams Britain is simply not a recognised entity.
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Yes, you clearly know more than Celtic themselves.

Also the BBC

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/may/25/newsid_5071000/5071020.stm

Also the Scottish Premier League

http://www.scotprem.com/content/default.asp?page=s9_2

And, could it be, FIFA as well?

http://www.fifa.com/worldfootball/clubfootball/news/newsid=1182112.html

I have ignored posting links to newspapers, fansites or wiki.

But I accept now that I am wrong, along with all these other sources. I apologise for doubting you. I will try to ensure it doesn't happen in the future.
 
Biohazard said:
Nonsense.

That's what it means to you.

I'm anti British in a political sense if you like, and I am neither racist or bigoted because of it. It isn't about the people as such.

So, no. Not all anti British people are idiots. Generalisations don't work.
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Can I be anti-Scottish then in a "political" sense?*





*I'm not anti-Scottish, just making a point.
 
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spudbynight said:
Yes, you clearly know more than Celtic themselves.

Also the BBC

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/may/25/newsid_5071000/5071020.stm

Also the Scottish Premier League

http://www.scotprem.com/content/default.asp?page=s9_2

And, could it be, FIFA as well?

http://www.fifa.com/worldfootball/clubfootball/news/newsid=1182112.html

I have ignored posting links to newspapers, fansites or wiki.
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Lol, you just don't get it do you.....

No matter how many times you post the oft repeated "Celtic were the first British club to win the European Cup" it doesn't make Celtic a British Club in respect to affiliation, it is merely a figurative comment, an inaccurate one at that.

I'm still waiting for you to illustrate a football club that has a British Affiliation to an independent UK-wide football association, or am I correct in stating that Celtic are only affiliated domestically with the Scottish FA which is completely independent from any other domestic FA....thus they should correctly be referred to as a Scottish Club, despite Celtic artificially extending their influence to include the UK to increase the importance and influence of their first win in the European Cup, which despite how they describe themselves (notably they describe themselves as Scottish in every other respect and on every other occasion) doesn't mean that they are semantically or technically correct in doing so.

What you are stating is the same as saying that the Scottish Government/Parliament in Holyrood is synonymous with the British Government/Parliament in Westminster, something that is equally inaccurate and ignores the very real official separation of Holyrood from Westminster and in the case of Celtic, the separation of the officially recognised home nation football associations, whose recognition of teams within their sphere decides their official status. Celtic's official status is as a recognised association football team registered and recognised as such by the Scottish (not British) football association.


spudbynight said:
But I accept now that I am wrong. I apologise for doubting you. I will try to ensure it doesn't happen in the future.
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Indeed, just be sure it doesn't happen again...:p;):D
 
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spudbynight said:
Can I be anti-Scottish then in a "political" sense?*





*I'm not anti-Scottish, just making a point.
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No, because Biohazard is not referring to the people of Britain, but the political construct of the Union itself. He simply feels that the ediface of The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland as a singular sovereign nation is not in keeping with his Scottish Nationalist ideology, thus he his anti-union, to whit he referred to the political entity informally rather than the geographical region and thus not it's inhabitants directly.

To state you are anti-scottish implies that you are anti-Scotland as in the geographical region and thus it's people directly.

You really do not understand the fine nuances of the English Language.:p

You gotta love arguing semantics, a great way to while away the day arguing inconsequential interpretation of meaning when you are bored.:p
 
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Castiel said:
Lol, you just don't get it do you.....

No matter how many times you post the oft repeated "Celtic were the first British club to win the European Cup" it doesn't make Celtic a British Club in respect to affiliation, it is merely a figurative comment, an inaccurate one at that.

I'm still waiting for you to illustrate a football club that has a British Affiliation to an independent UK-wide football association, or am I correct in stating that Celtic are only affiliated domestically with the Scottish FA which is completely independent from any other domestic FA....thus they should correctly be referred to as a Scottish Club, despite Celtic artificially extending their influence to include the UK to increase the importance and influence of their first win in the European Cup, which despite how they describe themselves (notably they describe themselves as Scottish in every other respect and on every other occasion) doesn't mean that they are semantically or technically correct in doing so.

What you are stating is the same as saying that the Scottish Government/Parliament in Holyrood is synonymous with the British Government/Parliament in Westminster, something that is equally inaccurate and ignores the very real official separation of Holyrood from Westminster and in the case of Celtic, the separation of the officially recognised home nation football associations, whose recognition of teams within their sphere decides their official status. Celtic's official status is as a recognised association football team registered and recognised as such by the Scottish (not British) football association.


Indeed, just be sure it doesn't happen again...:p;):D
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Now listen here Faustus, sorry, Castiel.

You are the one talking about affiliation. I haven't brought it up. I haven't claimed that Celtic have any affiliation to a "British FA". It doesn't matter though, unless you are talking about a matter that pertains to sporting rules, laws or regulations that is.

In everyday use of the English language, which is what is being used here, it is perfectly correct to describe them as a British club.

In much the same way that you can call Crystal Palace a London Club, you can call Celtic a British team. It is simply a descriptive adjective.
 
Castiel said:
No, because Biohazard is not referring to the people of Britain, but the political construct of the Union itself. He simply feels that the ediface of The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland as a singular sovereign nation is not in keeping with his Scottish Nationalist ideology, thus he his anti-union, to whit he referred to the political entity informally rather than the geographical region and thus not it's inhabitants directly.

To state you are anti-scottish implies that you are anti-Scotland as in the geographical region and thus it's people directly.

You really do not understand the fine nuances of the English Language.:p

You gotta love arguing semantics, a great way to while away the day arguing inconsequential interpretation of meaning when you are bored.:p
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Maybe he should use a term that is more accurate then? Maybe something along the lines of, I don't know, anti-union?

If anti-Scottish implies that you are anti-Scotland as in the geographical region and thus it's people directly then logically anti-British implies that you are anti-Britain as in the geographical region and thus it's people directly?
 
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spudbynight said:
Now listen here Faustus, sorry, Castiel.

You are the one talking about affiliation. I haven't brought it up. I haven't claimed that Celtic have any affiliation to a "British FA". It doesn't matter though, unless you are talking about a matter that pertains to sporting rules, laws or regulations that is.

In everyday use of the English language, which is what is being used here, it is perfectly correct to describe them as a British club.

In much the same way that you can call Crystal Palace a London Club, you can call Celtic a British team. It is simply a descriptive adjective.
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You don't have to bring it up, I did to illustrate the correct terminology when referring to a Scottish Football club, that people may use common usage as an description doesn't make it any more correct. As you stated Biohazard should have been more accurate in his description, but then that would also hold true for the way in which the OP described Celtic, would it not?

Semantics really does pass you by a little doesn't it. (as does being in the midst of a monumental windup it seems...:D)

So according to your logic as Ireland is in the geographically region known as the British Isles is it ok to refer to Dublin as a British City? and if not, then why is Belfast a British City....:p
 
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