Britain out of Ireland!

Castiel · 19 May 2011 at 13:08

Metalface Mark said:
It makes no difference, it all comes under companies house and is registered as any scottish company, under a listed united kingdom company, which you can search yourself at the companies house website.

Yet they are listed using a specific Scottish designation as opposed to an English one. This illustrates that Celtic, like any Scottish company registered in the UK is seen as Scottish rather than British entity.

That Companies House is a central UK institution doesn't alter the fact that they regard Scottish registered companies, such as Celtic as Scottish Entities.

A Scottish company is an entity which has its registered office situated in Scotland. These types of companies should not be confused with those which have the word Scotland or Scottish in their name.

Scotland is a sensitive or reserved word and although most companies with that word in their name may also have their registered office in Scotland, having the reserved word in the name does not automatically make the entity a Scottish company formation.

In situations where a person forming a company uses a registered office address in England or Wales, they will be unable to then change the address to one in Scotland. The same applies to an incorporation in Scotland, which can not then change to become an English or Welsh entity.

Thus it is a Scottish Club.

pingwing · 19 May 2011 at 13:10

So what we have learnt today is that Britain is stuck in Ireland because Celtic is both a Scottish and British team, so that no amount of mindless debate will separate the two countries (or 5 states).

Castiel · 19 May 2011 at 13:10

Athanor said:
Oh god, that's torn it - now they're an English company/club just playing in Scotland....

So Celtic are an English Club.... :eek:

Companies House use a special reference to distinguish between English and Scottish companies. Scottish company numbers are prefixed with the letters "SC". For example, an English company might have the number 06488522, whilst the equivalent Scottish company number would be displayed as SC06488522.

It should be noted that the prefix SC is only used for Companies House internal recording and that the company's certificate of incorporation will not display the prefix SC

Macro · 19 May 2011 at 13:13

Castiel said:
So Celtic are an English Club....

So they are an English club, playing in Scotland and therefore the very definition of "British". Yay! I Win!!!.... Now, errr, what was the question?!?!?!

Metalface Mark · 19 May 2011 at 13:15

Castiel said:
Yet they are listed using a specific Scottish designation as opposed to an English one. This illustrates that Celtic, like any Scottish company registered in the UK is seen as Scottish rather than British entity.

That Companies House is a central UK institution doesn't alter the fact that they regard Scottish registered companies, such as Celtic as Scottish Entities.

Its immaterial, its still listed as a United Kingdom company on a list of United Kingdom companies on the United Kingdom register of companies. There is no register of Scottish companies on companies house just as there is no list of English companies.

Regardless, you could also argue further that Scotland, like England, Wales and Northern Ireland are not actual independant countries and as such the term, Scottish, English etc is a defunct therm as the United Kingdom has soveriegnty over each province.

Macro · 19 May 2011 at 13:15

Castiel said:
Companies House use a special reference to distinguish between English and Scottish companies. Scottish company numbers are prefixed with the letters "SC". For example, an English company might have the number 06488522, whilst the equivalent Scottish company number would be displayed as SC06488522.

It should be noted that the prefix SC is only used for Companies House internal recording and that the company's certificate of incorporation will not display the prefix SC

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Bugger... Damn your extra research and ninja edit, it was all going so well....

I lose....

Castiel · 19 May 2011 at 13:15

Athanor said:
So they are an English club, playing in Scotland and therefore the very definition of "British". Yay! I Win!!!.... Now, errr, what was the question?!?!?!

Or not.....

Luseac · 19 May 2011 at 13:15

What could have been quite an interesting thread has turned into a complete yawn-fest debating a football club.

Metalface Mark · 19 May 2011 at 13:17

Luseac said:
What could have been quite an interesting thread has turned into a complete yawn-fest debating a football club.

The name of the football club is irrelevant, its just being used as a tool for the discussion.

Cuchulain · 19 May 2011 at 13:18

Metalface Mark said:
The name of the football club is irrelevant, its just being used as a tool for the discussion.

A tedious discussion that has FA to do with the original topic.

Castiel · 19 May 2011 at 13:19

Metalface Mark said:
Its immaterial, its still listed as a United Kingdom company on a list of United Kingdom companies on the United Kingdom register of companies. There is no register of Scottish companies on companies house just as there is no list of English companies.

They are separated internally, by the prefix SC in the case of Scottish Companies, thus Companies House do have a separate designation internally, so they recognise Celtic as a Scottish Company.

If you searched internally at companies house for only companies with the SC designation then you would indeed have a list of Scottish Companies.

The very fact that Companies House recognises Celtic as an officially recognised Scottish Entity strengthens the argument for them being referred to as a Scottish Club rather than a British one.

Metalface Mark said:
Regardless, you could also argue further that Scotland, like England, Wales and Northern Ireland are not actual independant countries and as such the term, Scottish, English etc is a defunct therm as the United Kingdom has soveriegnty over each province.

If we accept that line of argument, then we would also have to conclude that the home nation associations are illegitimate and as such Celtic are not a legitimate football club at all and thus are neither Scottish or British in an official capacity.

Castiel · 19 May 2011 at 13:20

Cuchulain said:
A tedious discussion that has FA to do with the original topic.

Luseac · 19 May 2011 at 13:20

Cuchulain said:
A tedious discussion that has FA to do with the original topic.

Quite. This whole celtic thing should have been put to bed about 4 million posts ago.

Macro · 19 May 2011 at 13:22

Cuchulain said:
A tedious discussion that has FA to do with the original topic.

True, but if it gets this heated over a discussion about a football club the original topic is probably best avoided

Metalface Mark · 19 May 2011 at 13:23

Castiel said:
If we accept that line of argument, then we would also have to conclude that the home nation associations are illegitimate and as such Celtic are not a legitimate football club at all and thus are neither Scottish or British in an official capacity.

Actually, I would quite like that to happen, then we could throw Rangers in the mix and get both of both clubs

Technically, the home nations are illegal, in the past when Scotland and England have made it to major tournaments theres been a caffufle that we are effectively entering two teams. Its like the USSR before it split, these nations were no different from the union but were forced to play as the USSR. Theres something to be said for inventing the game and I think thats why leeway was allowed as its unique.

Metalface Mark · 19 May 2011 at 13:24

Cuchulain said:
A tedious discussion that has FA to do with the original topic.

or more accurately, SFA.

jas72 · 19 May 2011 at 13:24

Theophany said:
It's like the Scots calling for independence, they're clueless to the fact that their economy wouldn't be self-sufficient.

These people are not the world's best and brightest, as I'm sure you realise.

LOL like you are the expert.

Better to be free and poor than a rich slave.

Castiel · 19 May 2011 at 13:27

Metalface Mark said:
Actually, I would quite like that to happen, then we could throw Rangers in the mix and get both of both clubs

Technically, the home nations are illegal, in the past when Scotland and England have made it to major tournaments theres been a caffufle that we are effectively entering two teams. Its like the USSR before it split, these nations were no different from the union but were forced to play as the USSR. Theres something to be said for inventing the game and I think thats why leeway was allowed as its unique.

I agree with that, a single British Football Association with a single group of affiliated leagues and a single Great Britain International Squad would indeed solve many issues, least of all the issue of competing in the Olympics.

Until then, Celtic remain a Scottish club...

Macro · 19 May 2011 at 13:27

jas72 said:
Better to be free and poor than a rich slave.

Hmmm... Just how rich exactly??

jas72 · 19 May 2011 at 13:28

Castiel said:
There is a Welsh league, some Welsh clubs play in the English leagues, but they are still Welsh Clubs and there is still a Welsh Football League run bit the Welsh Football Association.

The point I was making is that there are no such thing as British Football Clubs, as there is no such thing as a British Football Association so they should be referred to as Scottish as they are affiliated to the Scottish FA which is totally independent from either the Welsh or English FA.

Totally off topic but.

They all play in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Nothern Ireland which makes them British. England doesn't have it's own parliament but people are still English?

The majority of Irish young men will support English football teams and you'll more likely see a Man U, Liverpool, Chelsea or Arsenal top in Dublin than a Celtic one.