30 UK Police vs man armed with machete in the street.

[Werewolf]

Tranq gun?

Tranq guns, when used on animals let alone humans have a wide range of problems, from that minor one of what pressure do you use? (too little and it won't go far enough and penetrate, too much and it'll potentially do serious damage).
The drugs have to be measured for the weight of the person (not something that can easily be done on scene in a hurry), too little and it won't work, too much and you've killed him...and there is the risk of any intolerances the person might have to your chosen drug (either natural, or because it reacts with something they've already taken - including legal substances).

Not to mention the risk of serious injury from the needle on the darts.

Also, I strongly suspect tranquilliser guns are restricted (I vaguely remember you need a licence for them), so would probably be something armed officers would carry, if they were a part of the police tool kit.

 

[Vonhelmet]

Sounds about right.

Interesting point about the clothes. Just how piercing are these tazers? I mean, could one peirce your skin deep enough to hit an organ? If not then surely any clothing bar a tshirt is going to stop one?

Pretty much means you are stabbing someone and then electrocuting them.

Indeed. There's a reason they ought to be called "less-lethal" rather than "non-lethal".

 

[MumboJumbo]

^^^ sums it up really. But I am also of the impression that these people really need to learn then that going up against the police can hurt and can be fatal and it's best if they actually just behave. It's not really too hard to keep out of trouble enough to at least not get tazered. I kind of think it's a sad day when we have a man running around screaming with a machete and if the police did have to fall back on to more agressive means they would have the public eye on them. I mean, at what point do you turn round and go "To be honest, the guy was wielding a weapon and in a position he knew he couldn't win but carried on anyway and got him self hurt as a result". Not that they did a bad job, I think they did a great job. Just expressing my opinion that I think these type of criminals are infact lucky they are in this country.

Tranq guns, when used on animals let alone humans have a wide range of problems, from that minor one of what pressure do you use? (too little and it won't go far enough and penetrate, too much and it'll potentially do serious damage).
The drugs have to be measured for the weight of the person (not something that can easily be done on scene in a hurry), too little and it won't work, too much and you've killed him...and there is the risk of any intolerances the person might have to your chosen drug (either natural, or because it reacts with something they've already taken - including legal substances).

Not to mention the risk of serious injury from the needle on the darts.

Also, I strongly suspect tranquilliser guns are restricted (I vaguely remember you need a licence for them), so would probably be something armed officers would carry, if they were a part of the police tool kit.

I did initially think that but then I decided that they simply wouldn't use the kind of tranquilizer we would see in hospitals and instead perhaps something more like roofies. Sure the side effects are hideous but that was their call and far less lethal than general anaesthetic type drugs I guess?

 

[EdGey]

Better safe than sorry.

I think they did a good job.

 

[Ken]

That's surely a 6 star wanted level considering the number of police? Was expecting the choppa to turn up and gun him down.

 

[Kezmo]

3 guys and riot shield could have taken him down, or 1 and a tazer, epic fail imo

 

[Vonhelmet]

3 guys and riot shield could have taken him down, or 1 and a tazer, epic fail imo

Meh, I'd have done it on my own tbh. One strike from my keyboard and he'd have gone down like a sack of spuds.

 

[GolfNovember90]

people dont seem to understand that more officers restraining people = less pain.

one of them could have twonked him in the head with a baton and killed him, instead they waited for safe numbers to arrive and disarmed him using very reasonable force without injuring him by the looks of it... surely thats the preferential outcome??

from an officer safety standpoint though surely if ever there was a case to have taser more widley rolled out this was it, not every service has the benefit of having 30 officers within such short distance

 

[RedvGreen]

Its a good possibility he was high on something (given the way he was acting) i.e. PCP which meant tasering him, rubber bullets, etc. might not be effective either.

Or it might have given him a heart-attack and all of those officers present would be witch-hunted by the press for hurting an innocent fine-upstanding member of the community maliciously, and ultimately all face manslaughter charges... you know how screwed up our judicial system and media is most times.

 

[malachi]

Or it might have given him a heart-attack and all of those officers present would be witch-hunted by the press for hurting an innocent fine-upstanding member of the community maliciously, and ultimately all face manslaughter charges... you know how screwed up our judicial system and media is most times.

Exactly, again what I was saying about all this red tape in the UK police force. Bottom line is, the police are here to keep the piece and if someone is going to do something silly like this then they should know and fear the consequences. But with "we cant do this, we cant do that etc" within the police force, criminals just laugh no matter what they do and don't care.

 

[2StepSteve]

Read the last few posts about tasers.

Ok so if you shoot someone with rubber bullets, he doesn't go down, and instead sends him into a frenzy. What then?

Buy him an ice cream.

 

[Robbo]

As before, if something inflicting severe pain on him didn't stop him, any subsequent attempts to subdue him with further pain is probably not going to work.

If you kept shooting him, he would go down. Rubber bullets are extremely powerful.

 

[Tombo]

And probably have some serious injuries from multiple rubber bullets smacking into him?

 

[malachi]

And probably have some serious injuries from multiple rubber bullets smacking into him?

Would teach him not to do it again

 

[lixxus]

They could have gassed him.

Or set their German Shepard dogs on him. They would have munched his hand off.

They do say safety in number though.

I reckon throwing large rocks at him, like a Palestinian would have been suffice

 

[MumboJumbo]

And probably have some serious injuries from multiple rubber bullets smacking into him?

Oh noes :O

They could have gassed him.

Or set their German Shepard dogs on him. They would have munched his hand off.

They do say safety in number though.

I reckon throwing large rocks at him, like a Palestinian would have been suffice

I would not match a dog up against someone with a machete. That is just not fair on the dog and no reason to risk it. Sure the dog will probably come out on top, but at what cost?

They also tried gas and it was ineffective.

 

[Unbeliever]

I'd say 30 cops, if thats the resources they have to hand is excellent. We'd have called out public order and armed officers, looked to contain the situation and called in a negotiator. I've been at incidents similar where 38 cops were used and they were eventually talked down. Better to use 30 officers to contain a serious threat than have a gung ho officer killed in my opinion.

 

[Shayne]

I'm sorry if this sounds a little unsympathetic, or inhumane, but ultimately, he's running around with a machete! He should be shot dead (imho). He's not wired right, shoot him dead, mop him up, and throw him in the damn bin.

Cost to taxpayer: I hours pay of one armed officer, 1 hour cleaning up mess and disposing of body. Job done.

 

[gambitt]

Anyone else find this amusing? It was probably just me...

"30 UK Police vs man armed with machete in the street"

followed by:

"Link removed due to sweary"

Yes, gratuitous violence by way of swinging a sword at police is perfectly acceptable... but only if he doesn't say anything naughty

It's like in 24 - an insane amount of violence and killing but Jack Bauer is limited to saying "damn it!"

 

[Killerkebab]

I'm sorry if this sounds a little unsympathetic, or inhumane, but ultimately, he's running around with a machete! He should be shot dead (imho). He's not wired right, shoot him dead, mop him up, and throw him in the damn bin.

Cost to taxpayer: I hours pay of one armed officer, 1 hour cleaning up mess and disposing of body. Job done.

Rubbish. One of the best things about our police force is that they don't kill people, and don't hurt people more than they have to.