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Posted the bit about injuries to the bloke involved as I can't see how reporting that is shoddy journalism?
But agree about the Daily Fails reputation, but they seem to be the only rag publishing this stuff....
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Yeah, like Christians don't do that!
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Don't worry, I'm sure you'll find something else to indoctrinate them into.
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Like what?
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Not buying into claims with no evidence, that contradict themselves, are deliberately unfalsifiable, implausible, and in a lot of cases demonstrable wrong = intolerance and bigotry?Intolerance and bigotry I would expect....
This tiptoeing around ridiculous beliefs just because they are religious in nature has to stop.
I have not seen any reports recently of Christians beating up RE teachers because they were teaching girls. If you have feel free to link them. Not that I think "Well group A do it to!" is all that good a defence...
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Not accepting that others do not have the same beliefs as you, not allowing people to freely express themselves, not allowing Parents to choose the education for their own children, teaching children that because someone believes in God they are retarded, making sweeping generalisations based on extreme isolated examples.... and so on = Intolerance and Bigotry.
You needn't 'buy into it', no-one is asking you to, however by forcing others to accept your view as the only acceptable truth you are equally as guilty of indoctrination as any example of religion.
If you do not wish to send your children to a Faith School, then don't, no-one is forcing you to, however equally you should not be forcing others to send their children to secular schools or schools promoting atheism if they do not wish to.
It is called being tolerant of others beliefs even if they do not conform to your own, and this goes for anyone, whether they are religious or not.
Football's always a popular one in this country. You like football?
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Citation needed.blah, blah, blah.
Not accepting that others do not have the same beliefs as you
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Blah blah blah yourself - you're the one chucking around insults.
Where do you draw the line on what beliefs are ok?
Holocaust denial in schools?
Flat earth?
Geocentrism?
White supremacy?
They are all beliefs.
State sponsored education should be about facts not faith. What people teach their kids outside of school, or if they wish to send their kids to a specific school that caters for their own brand belief without evidence is fine with me, but it shouldn't be presented in a factual way in mainstream education, and I'm pretty sure the majority of people in this country agree with me.
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Apologists of a feather...
Well, duh, what do you expect? That's a tautologous statement.
People who believe similar things, post similar things!
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Do you also rely so heavily on strawmen?
Why on earth would my opinion and examples of intolerant behaviour need citation, how does someone cite themselves in the original?
Where did I insult you?
Mainstream education should be about teaching children more than simply 'facts', it should also be about educating children to be tolerant, productive and capable individuals, so teaching children about Religions is a necessary part of their education as religion plays a large part in a significant portion of society.
I'll repeat what I said earlier:
As for citation, maybe you can give one that supports your claim that the majority of people in the UK wish to abolish Faith Schools?
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Which strawmen are those?
If you mean we are both tolerant of others beliefs then yes, if you mean we are both Christians or Theists then you are wrong.
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Maybe I read it wrong, but I thought you were suggesting I implied all of the points you made, and I was asking you to cite where I did.
Apologies if I did misunderstand.
Teaching that there is such a thing as religion and explaining what it is, is the limit of what should be taught about religion in my opinion. It certainly shouldn't be taught in the same way as a faith school would, i.e. "Today children we're doing history. 4500 years ago Noah built an ark...".
I extrapolated it from figures that suggest the majority of Brits are non-practicing, and the number of those claiming non-religious has been climbing.