Anti-Foglight Brigade

Quink said:
Er - no :confused::confused:

Use your mirrors - that's what they are for. Modern high intensity rear lights are too bright, making distinction between normal rear lights and brake lights difficult to see - especially in bad conditions when seeing brake lights as early as possible is paramount. When the vehicle following can see you - turn them off.

Have a bit of common sense.

Front fog lights are still only used by idiots though. Fact fact fact. :)
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But the car behind that, or another car joining the road or whatever, won't see you.
If I need the light on because visibility is such that they are needed then they will be on.
 
R420LA6X2/4MNA said:
If the vehicle behind is too close, I'd say its safe to think he can see you hence not needing a rear fog light blazing into his eyes? No?
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given that lots of people here are arguing that a rear fog lamp can be mistaken for a brake light, and as per the AA link posted earlier:

"Generally speaking, it's better to be safe than sorry, so use them when appropriate. Don't keep switching them on and off, though – this can be a distraction, so wait for a consistent improvement in visibility before switching them off."

Switching them off and back on again is likely to be more of a hindrance.

And once again I don't buy this "blazing into his eyes" argument. At night, when quite clear, yes, rear fog lamps are annoying. On an overcast day, in heavy spray such as it was, no. I was also sat behind cars using their rear lamps and it wasn't dazzling at all, but more more helpful.
 
For the record, that AA article is crap. I wouldn't run off quotes from that as being authoritative. Which is a shame.
 
Since you were using your rear fogs for the benefit of others as you say

Then the overriding oppinion from the sample of people who have replied here shows that people would rather you did not
 
n3vrmind said:
Fuggeddabout fogs and beams, im finding theres a lot of people out there with normal lights that are frankly blinding if people drive behind me with them on. Particularly those on landrovers where the lights are rediculously high up and sit level with my rear view mirror but a a lot of newer luxury cars are now coming with HID lights as standard and they are all incredibly distracting

If your lights are illumnating the cabin of my car to the point where i can see a shadow of my head being cast then its too damn bright

I find your reasoning for needing fogs poor, if your saying your fogs are pointed down then they were not helping you see cars up ahead, if they lighting up cars ahead of you then its a distraction to the guy in front and if you need them because you cant see far enough ahead.. drive slower

Rear fogs in heavy rain is also inexcusable, when you have rain like that and wipers on full pelt already distracting you really dont need the added glare of all the water on the screen being lit up and refracting light all over the place, in addition to the fact that if the traffic is slowed down the cars behind you might not be that far away and are having to sit looking directly are your brightly lit rear lights... there is a reason your lights are not that bright to begin with, because it can be somewhat blinding, i dont care that you want to be the most visibile thing on the road.. there ARE more things than you i need to pay attention to if im to be able to drive safely, like cars in other lanes, what the traffic is doing further ahead... anyone who drives only focusing on the back bumper of the car ahead WILL have an accident

Short version, you were being an inconsiderate nobend.. dont do it again
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:rolleyes:

Ive already done my best to counter your criticisms many times in this thread, and seeing as you're resorting to insulting me because you disagree, I wont bother responding to you.
 
Conscript said:
What are you talking about? Use my mirrors? The point is about being seen, not being able to see.

No - the whole point is about road craft - not just about others seeing you, but your behaviour towards others and anticipating their reactions.

Why would you turn them off when the vehicle behind is too close? So that the vehicle behind's visibilty is not compromised.

That would make it worse! Someone was talking about not knowing the difference bwteen brake/fog lights - if you start turning your fog light on and off it would only increase confusion! Of course not - use you mirrors (that's what they are for) and you can easily reduce rear glare and dazzle and minimise brakelight confusion by a bit of forward planning

And don't start lecturing me on road craft and courtesy to other road users. That was exactly my motive. I joined a busy traffic stream where spray was hindering visibilty and decided to take steps to ensure that my vehicle was as visible as possible to other road users.
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I think I will lecture you on road craft - you should be as aware to hazards approaching from behind as to hazards approaching from the front.

Maybe you need a bit more 'real world experience' junior ;)
 
Conscript said:
:rolleyes:

Ive already done my best to counter your criticisms many times in this thread, and seeing as you're resorting to insulting me because you disagree, I wont bother responding to you.
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But he called you straight, a no bend, which is nice considering you drive an mx5 :p
 
Conscript said:
given that lots of people here are arguing that a rear fog lamp can be mistaken for a brake light, and as per the AA link posted earlier:

"Generally speaking, it's better to be safe than sorry, so use them when appropriate. Don't keep switching them on and off, though – this can be a distraction, so wait for a consistent improvement in visibility before switching them off."

Switching them off and back on again is likely to be more of a hindrance.

And once again I don't buy this "blazing into his eyes" argument. At night, when quite clear, yes, rear fog lamps are annoying. On an overcast day, in heavy spray such as it was, no. I was also sat behind cars using their rear lamps and it wasn't dazzling at all, but more more helpful.
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I argue myself that a fog light flicking on can be viewed as a brake lamp, if I am fairly close, then I would brake to one, yes.

The point is you switch them back on if & when a large enough gap is between the two vehicles...

When your close together, the light is blazing away dazzling the other driver.
 
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There are plenty of drivers here telling you that rear fogs are blinding/dazzling, in spite of people TELLING YOU that they find it blinding/dazzling, you continue to restate your oppinion that you dont think it is

Its just ignorant
 
Quink said:
I think I will lecture you on road craft - you should be as aware to hazards approaching from behind as to hazards approaching from the front.

Maybe you need a bit more 'real world experience' junior ;)
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You contradict yourself there you know, saying the following car will be dazzled and is bad bad BAD!!! but the. Say dazzle is easily managed with some forethought.

Yes, if you are in a very low visibility driving situation but being dazzled by the car infront then you are too close to that car. Back off
 
n3vrmind said:
There are plenty of drivers here telling you that rear fogs are blinding/dazzling, in spite of people TELLING YOU that they find it blinding/dazzling, you continue to restate your oppinion that you dont think it is

Its just ignorant
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Arrogant. Ignorant would be someone that did what he did but then didn't come to a web forum asking why it annoyed other road users.

:)
 
Rear fogs plus rain = fail. If I come up behind someone and get dazzled to hell by fog lights, they get main beam. Having the driver behind staring into a blazing red light, made worse by the water on his screen is not helping keep you or him any safer.

Rule number one is worry about what's in front of you. If you feel the driver behind hasn't noticed you or is a little to close for comfort a dab of the break might be in order.
 
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NathanE said:
Arrogant. Ignorant would be someone that did what he did but then didn't come to a web forum asking why it annoyed other road users.

:)
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It's neither, actually. I have stated several times that I agree, rear fog lamps can be dazzling. But in this particular situation, I cant see that being the problem. PMKeates drove through the same area at the same time and he agreed that it was an ideal situation where foglights were more help than hindrance.

This must be a situation unique to the road I was driving on.
 
jigger said:
Rear fogs plus rain = fail. If I come up behind someone and get dazzled to hell by fog lights, they get main beam. Having the driver behind staring into a blazing red light, made worse by the water on his screen is not helping keep you or him any safer.

Rule number one is worry about what's in front of you. If you feel the driver behind hasn't noticed you or is a little to close for comfort a dab of the break might be in order.
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Yes, dabbing the brakes on a motorway, if I feel someone is following too closely....much safer :confused:
 
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