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Anti-Foglight Brigade
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No - I'm saying you obviously need to think of others on the road. If you drive/ride thinking that everyone else is a bit slow on the uptake, your driving/riding will be that much better, giving you a much wider margin for others errors
Grow up will you. There is a discussion taking place, you are trying to drag it down into the gutter.
No - I'm saying you obviously need to think of others on the road. If you drive/ride thinking that everyone else is a bit slow on the uptake, your driving/riding will be that much better, giving you a much wider margin for others errors
I meant by making such childish posts.
I just find it hard to comprehend a situation that is described as "daylight" and where 50mph was possible, as being really as bad as you make it sound :/ Sorry.
This was the M4 in December during a blizzard, visibility was down to 10 meters at times, 15 mph absolute tops all the way from Wales to Swindon.
We managed without any fogs at all. We could see the cars behind, they could see us. No need for them.
Fogs (even front fogs! zomg I said it, though not for your own personal visibility - but to let other cars coming the other way see you earlier) can be useful when you're out in the sticks and/or on your own with nobody in sight.
This was the M4 in December during a blizzard, visibility was down to 10 meters at times, 15 mph absolute tops all the way from Wales to Swindon.
We managed without any fogs at all. We could see the cars behind, they could see us. No need for them.
Fogs (even front fogs! zomg I said it, though not for your own personal visibility - but to let other cars coming the other way see you earlier) can be useful when you're out in the sticks and/or on your own with nobody in sight.
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So, you are not willing to take on board any criticism (constructive or otherwise) at all?
Meh - good luck and don't kill anyone
I just find it hard to comprehend a situation that is described as "daylight" and where 50mph was possible, as being really as bad as you make it sound :/ Sorry.
This was the M4 in December during a blizzard, visibility was down to 10 meters at times, 15 mph absolute tops all the way from Wales to Swindon.
We managed without any fogs at all. We could see the cars behind, they could see us. No need for them.
My point is, that a fog light in that sort of situation would have made a car easier to discern at longer distance. I'm not saying I couldn't see cars at all without one on, but it was easier to track the movements of cars around me through the rain and spray when they were showing brighter lights.
An example....coming up to a joining slip road. Usually, I tend to move over to the right if I see traffic attempting to join, to make it as easy for them to join the traffic flow. This is something that requires you look ahead toward the slip, to see the car in plenty of time, and plan moving over.
In the visibility I am describing, yes, I could see cars, but I can see them from further off when they are showing a fog light....the eye is drawn to the light first, and can discern that more easily against the more opaque background. They aren't needed, I fully realise that. But in the situation the road was in today, it was a real help, and not off putting.
So, you are not willing to take on board any criticism (constructive or otherwise) at all?
Meh - good luck and don't kill anyone
I am, as long as it's constructive. Calling me "boy" and winking like you know best despite me trying to explain the situation as best I can is not. For the record, the advice you've given me so far is nothing I didn't already know, and have instilled in me from several parties from the moment I sat behind the wheel of a car.
I tried constructive criticism, but that didn't work.
I know that juveniles feel threatened when placed into situations they don't feel comfortable.
Learn how to use the facilities that you have to your disposal, whilst not impinging on others.
I know that juveniles feel threatened when placed into situations they don't feel comfortable.
Learn how to use the facilities that you have to your disposal, whilst not impinging on others.
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Question (sorry to interrupt the argument!):
On my Saxo (and also a Clio I was changing a bulb on) the rear lights only have a fog light fitted on one side. Both sides have identical lamp units and boards and wiring, just only one side actually has a bulb fitted. It's been like this from the factory on both cars. Have I just been unlucky and the frenchies saved 10p by only fitting one rear fog light bulb, or is there some reason to only fit one? On the Clio I had a spare bulb so just stuck it in and it worked fine with a bulb on each side!
On my Saxo (and also a Clio I was changing a bulb on) the rear lights only have a fog light fitted on one side. Both sides have identical lamp units and boards and wiring, just only one side actually has a bulb fitted. It's been like this from the factory on both cars. Have I just been unlucky and the frenchies saved 10p by only fitting one rear fog light bulb, or is there some reason to only fit one? On the Clio I had a spare bulb so just stuck it in and it worked fine with a bulb on each side!
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No you didn't. You told me to use my mirrors, completely missing the point I have been trying to make about the difference between being able to spot a vehicle with standard lights, or one that has foglights on in heavy weather. I never implied it was immpossible to see cars without them, or even that it was hard - merely that in certain situations it ws a valuable visual aid.
You then decided to resort to patronising me in all your subsequent posts...
...a practice which you seem keen to continue. I am well aware of my experience (or lack thereof) and would never profess to say I know it all when it comes to driving, but you seem to have based you're entire knowledge of my road craft on the fact that: A) Im younger than you and B)have expressed the opinion that foglights can be very useful in heavy rain and spray.
Conscript - posts 71 & 72 about mirrors - I was expanding my comments about post 68.
Have you ever followed a car with rear '''fogs''' on? Do you not find it distracting?
Just trying to make the roads a bit safer.
Have you ever followed a car with rear '''fogs''' on? Do you not find it distracting?
Just trying to make the roads a bit safer.
90% of the time rear fog lights are no use to man nor beast, we all know that. The only real use for them them is in heavy mist and fog at dual lane and motorway speeds when you have large distances between cars, then they help you spot cars your closing in on at speed.
If you can see the driver behind he should be able see you. After that leaving the fog lights on are probably going to cause problems. This is probably what happened between you and the SAAB driver TBH.
Clearly you felt leaving your fogs on was helping the drivers around, but from the sound of it I honestly don't think it was.
Yes, dabbing the brakes on a motorway, if I feel someone is following too closely....much safer
You missed the point, but what is safer in your opinion? a prolonged dazzling or a brief flash of light to wake up the driver that really you shouldn't be worrying that much about in the first place
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Yes. I have said this. I have followed many cars with their rear fogs on. But I only found it annoying at night when they were bright enough to be distracting - that is, the contrast is such that it can be dazzling.
As I said, in this situation, it was not dark enough that the fog lights of the cars in front was dazzled me in the slightest, no more than a brake light would dazzle you during the day. They simple showed up better through the spray. I could see cars much further along the line of traffic than I could if they were using tail lights, or no lights at all.
I really am hearing everyone's comments about fog lamps being dazzling and I sympathise and agree with you for the majority of the time, but I truly think that in the same situation, with the light levels and spray as it was, none of you would find fog lamps a distraction, unless you were incredibly close behind someone and they were filling your vision.
That was one of my whole reasons for posting this thread. I was simply surprised that one driver should take offence to me using them to the extent that he would start flashing me as he did. Lots of other drivers were using their fogs with no apparent ill effects. I would also like to point out again that he later undertook several cars in heavy traffic and swerved in front of me without indicating - it's not like this guy was a bastion of road safety etiquette.
You missed the point, but what is safer in your opinion? a prolonged dazzling or a brief flash of light to wake up the driver that really you shouldn't be worrying that much about in the first place
See post above for comments regarding the dazzling effect of fogs. As for worrying about those behind me, I do, constantly, it's one factor out of my control. I cant help it. Driving at rush hour is awful because everyone bunches up so close, even at speed - I keep half an eye on the mirror half expecting to be shunted by someone not paying attention.