Anti-Foglight Brigade

ok - I'll admit I came in halfway though the whole conversation and may have missed the point a bit.

/sticks out hand for manly handshake/?
 
Front fogs, whatever, they aren't that bright imho. I do wonder why many turn them on, I never had to yet (except to test for MOT), but they don't bug me really.

Rear ones, I despise anyone using them in any other conditions than absolute crap vision (eg. heavy fog), bloody annoying bright lights, especially when stuck behind a moron like that at the traffic lights.
 
SpeedFreak said:
You were the only one of us here on the road and in the car at that time so you will have an opinion of whether or not the conditions suited fogs. However, it seems that other road users found your use of them more of a hindrance than a help and as such you maybe should have taken that hint at the time and turned them off ;)
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You mean apart from PMKeates who actually was also in the area and agreed that foglights would have been useful in the conditions?

PMKeates said:
As someone who actually drove through Dartford this afternoon/evening, including on the M25/A282, there were points where visibility was very very bad and fog lights would have assisted.
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You say other road users, but it was only singular, only one person had a problem, who then went off and undertook him without indicating in torrential rain, so he sounds like a bit of a ******* anyway, everyone else on the road seemed perfectly ok with it and didn't feel the need to full beam him.

Perhaps you should all take the hint and perhaps not grill the guy so much when none of you actually witnessed the conditions in the first place.

edit - all that said, if he was able to undertake, sounds like the OP was hogging the middle lane/outside lane, perhaps he was just trying to get you to move into the lane you should have been in and it had nothing to do with your fogs at all? :p
 
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Kenai said:
You mean apart from PMKeates who actually was also in the area and agreed that foglights would have been useful in the conditions?



You say other road users, but it was only singular, only one person had a problem, who then went off and undertook him without indicating in torrential rain, so he sounds like a bit of a ******* anyway, everyone else on the road seemed perfectly ok with it and didn't feel the need to full beam him.

Perhaps you should all take the hint and perhaps not grill the guy so much when none of you actually witnessed the conditions in the first place.

edit - all that said, if he was able to undertake, sounds like the OP was hogging the middle lane/outside lane, perhaps he was just trying to get you to move into the lane you should have been in and it had nothing to do with your fogs at all? :p
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Thanks. I was in the otuside lane and Im no fan of lane hogging. Unforutnately this road is very busy and at rush hour, no matter what lane you are in, you dont make too much progress past others - so I was in the outside lane and slowly but steadily moving past traffic inside of me. This guy saw a gap and took the opportunity to get around.
 
Was clearly no fog, fogs lights shouldn't of been used. However it doesn't excuse the Saab driver from being a right arse.

A guy got pulled on Police interceptors last night for having his fog lights on and he said it was the 2nd time that week, the old guy couldn't comprehend why they couldn't be on all the time. He thought they were "spotlights" :p
 
Jigger has the right idea

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Originally Posted by Conscript
My point is, that a fog light in that sort of situation would have made a car easier to discern at longer distance. I'm not saying I couldn't see cars at all without one on, but it was easier to track the movements of cars around me through the rain and spray when they were showing brighter lights.

An example....coming up to a joining slip road. Usually, I tend to move over to the right if I see traffic attempting to join, to make it as easy for them to join the traffic flow. This is something that requires you look ahead toward the slip, to see the car in plenty of time, and plan moving over.

In the visibility I am describing, yes, I could see cars, but I can see them from further off when they are showing a fog light....the eye is drawn to the light first, and can discern that more easily against the more opaque background. They aren't needed, I fully realise that. But in the situation the road was in today, it was a real help, and not off putting.

90% of the time rear fog lights are no use to man nor beast, we all know that. The only real use for them them is in heavy mist and fog at dual lane and motorway speeds when you have large distances between cars, then they help you spot cars your closing in on at speed.

If you can see the driver behind he should be able see you. After that leaving the fog lights on are probably going to cause problems. This is probably what happened between you and the SAAB driver TBH.

Clearly you felt leaving your fogs on was helping the drivers around, but from the sound of it I honestly don't think it was.
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No personal attacks!. (i am sorry everyone else is to polite to tell you) Its very easy to confuse fog lights for brake lights as some cars have them in the same place as the rear lights.

What makes you so much important then anyone else? Besides why were you driving at 50 mph in rain so heavy you could not see more then 100 meters in front of you. The road must have been a river and you endanagered your life and all those around you by driving at such high speed for very dangerous conditions.
 
James_200sx said:
*************(i am sorry everyone else is to polite to tell you) Its very easy to confuse fog lights for brake lights as some cars have them in the same place as the rear lights.
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This is true. My polo has its rear fog light on the right side intergrated into the brake light cluster, whereas the supra has a seperate rear fog completly!
 
How the hell has this gone on for 5 pages? its not rocket surgery.

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You MUST use headlights when visibility is seriously reduced, generally when you cannot see for more than 100 metres (328 feet). You may also use front or rear fog lights but you MUST switch them off when visibility improves (see Rule 236).
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You MUST NOT use front or rear fog lights unless visibility is seriously reduced (see Rule 226) as they dazzle other road users and can obscure your brake lights. You MUST switch them off when visibility improves.
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Its not even ambiguous (pretty impressive for a government document) if you can see more than 100m in front of you then your not allowed to use your fogs, if you cannot then you are. It doesn't have to be in fog, rainstorm/sandstorm/blizzard/ash cloud will all suffice.

If the op couldn't see more than 100m in front of his car then he was fully correct to be using his fogs.
 
ubersonic said:
How the hell has this gone on for 5 pages? its not rocket surgery.


Its not even ambiguous (pretty impressive for a government document) if you can see more than 100m in front of you then your not allowed to use your fogs, if you cannot then you are. It doesn't have to be in fog, rainstorm/sandstorm/blizzard/ash cloud will all suffice.

If the op couldn't see more than 100m in front of his car then he was fully correct to be using his fogs.
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Because the OP is a juvenile idiot according to most people in this thread, there seems to only be a couple of us who actually agree on the usage of them.
 
James_200sx said:
Jigger has the right idea








You sir are are an idiot. (i am sorry everyone else is to polite to tell you) Its very easy to confuse fog lights for brake lights as some cars have them in the same place as the rear lights.

What makes you so much important then anyone else? Besides why were you driving at 50 mph in rain so heavy you could not see more then 100 meters in front of you. The road must have been a river and you endanagered your life and all those around you by driving at such high speed for very dangerous conditions.
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You obvisouly havent read the thread in detail if you think that everyone else has been too polite, so I guess you wouldn't have seen your other issues already addressed.

I estimated the maximum speed at 50MPH, where conditions improved. I dont know my exact speed at all times because I tend not to stare at the speedomter in such conditions, but I dont recall ever going above that speed, and probably spent most of the time driving much slower. And as mentioned, ad infinitum, the rain was not the major problem, as when I left the carriageway, it was clear the rain had slackered considerably. The main issue here was the spray coming off the road surfce and wheels of other traffic.

Read the thread before you jump down my throat with accusations of being an idiot. If you had of done, you would have also seen where I wrote that the traffic was such that all three lanes were moving at roughly the same pace. How exactly could I be driving recklessly and endagering myself and others when I was simply matching the speed of the traffic?
 
I hate it when people use rear fog lights in the rain.
Even in the fog I hate people using them when i'm behind them. Once someone is behind you turn the ******* things off otherwise they cause glare. Only use fog lights so people miles behind, when they catch you up can see you. Other then that they are useless and an annoyance.
 
Judging by the downpour we had that day and knowing what some stretches of the A2 can be like I can understand why you would use rear fog lights. I on occasion have used them too in similar circumstances and have no problem with other people doing so either.
 
NathanE said:
Arrogant self-centering like this could make you rich one day (if you aren't already ;)). But in the mean time it's not going to be winning you any admirers on the road.

PS: You can't control how closely some idiot with his fogs on is following behind you.
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Hopefully one day. ;)

If traffic bunches up or the situation changes so that the cars are closer together I would just turn them off again. But I think it's useful to use them if there's a **** load of spray coming off peoples tyres and visibility is gash.
 
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