When will we reach the Moon, Mars, Jupiter, another star and another galaxy...

[Glaucus]

Who knows speed of technology is restless and is an exponential curve. There is new thoughts that a magnetic ship can use Jupiter's huge magnetic ring, can get to huge % of speed of light. Just look at how we lived 200 years ago, then realise how big the exponential curve is.

Is it likely of course not, but it's no impossible.

 

[NeilF]

Who knows speed of technology is restless and is an exponential curve. There is new thoughts that a magnetic ship can use Jupiter's huge magnetic ring, can get to huge % of speed of light. Just look at how we lived 200 years ago, then realise how big the exponential curve is.

Is it likely of course not, but it's no impossible.

True... But then consider 40yrs ago we put a man on the moon, and since then we've put a man.... ummm....

I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if in another 40yrs we still haven't put a man on Mars. We have far far more important things to do like invade countries and depose leaders we don't like.

Yet, here we have someone saying in just 200-250yrs, we'll have a spaceship in another galaxy? Reeeeaaaallllllyyyyy? Is that anywhere in the realms of realistic? Just maybe an unmanned probe to a nearby star... But another galaxy? Hmmm!

 

[PermaBanned]

True... But then consider 40yrs ago we put a man on the moon, and since then we've put a man.... ummm....

In Low Earth Orbit. Say what you will, and yes it was the 'cheaper option than going to mars', but the ISS is still a huge achievement that doesn't get the credit it deserves.

 

[Glaucus]

True... But then consider 40yrs ago we put a man on the moon, and since then we've put a man.... ummm....

I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if in another 40yrs we still haven't put a man on Mars. We have far far more important things to do like invade countries and depose leaders we don't like.

Yet, here we have someone saying in just 200-250yrs, we'll have a spaceship in another galaxy? Reeeeaaaallllllyyyyy? Is that anywhere in the realms of realistic? Just maybe an unmanned probe to a nearby star... But another galaxy? Hmmm!

It's not due to lack of technology, it's a lack of money/will

Space technology has moved on hugely since then, with huge advances in sub systems, including ion drives, sails, laser what ever they are called.

250-300 years is optimistic due to travel time, but a mission launched by then, is certainly feasible.
It really depends on other technology and will.
Cheap abundant power, material strong enough to make a space elivator, or factories on the moon.
300 years is a long way away.

If something like skylon was built and worked, then that would help space projects no end 1kilo tp space currently costs $14000, skylon would be estimated at just under $1000,

Also just passed initial review with nothing on the purposed design being impossible.
Engine test next year hopefully.

 

[Deific]

Go on, put your scifi heads on and predict how many years till:-
- A human lands on the Moon again Any time - little point
- A human lands on Mars 50-75 years
- A human reaches Jupiter (Arthur C Clarke said we'd already be there ) 75-100 years
- A probe or human reaches another star probe 250-500 years - human 500-1000 years
- A probe or human reaches another galaxy probe 1000-2500 years - human 5000+ years

 

[Deific]

And if such methods of travel exist, then why are races from our galaxy (& indeed other galaxies) not visiting us right now? Why is our galaxy not like a busy motorway given such ease of travel?

but it is dude, it's just the goverment doesn't show you that and shops all the alien motorways out in space photos. Open your eyes man.

 

[Garonazz]

Rofl ? It's pretty obvious something that would start travelling now would never get into another galaxy in 200 years

What I meant is what in 200 YEARS TIME, we would be advanced enough (possibly) to launch something that will take less than 100 years of travel.

Simple as that. But i'm probably wrong. Although our advancements in technology in the past 200 years mean anything could happen.


If someone is going to say that there is no way that in 200 years there will be ships capable of performing such large distances, then go on, Prove it to me, Oh you mighty Farseer of the Future


Also:

- A probe or human reaches another galaxy probe 1000-2500 years - human 5000+ years

Lol. Why would it take another 2500 years for a human to reach another galaxy if there are objects cabable of going there already ? Common sense says hi

 

[Glaucus]

) not visiting us right now? Why is our galaxy not like a busy motorway given such ease of travel?

...

you are a summing the universe is termed with advance life forms, which has no proof.
You a re assuming that such species are in the same timeline as us. In other words we exist at a similar time. The universe is billions of years old, it would be exceptionally ease for hundreds of intelligent species to exist, but never at the same time.
You are also assuming that we exist with time dilation. What might be a few decades of flight for them, is thousands of years for us.

 

[Tigjaw]

Ok let's say that hypothetically, we managed to produce a ship capable of travelling to the nearest star. For this to be possible and for the travel time to be feasible the magic... I mean technology we will need will have to propel us to close to light speed.

IF that is possible we then have to produce another million types of technology to protect the ship and its passengers from the effects of high velocity travel.

Now back to square one; actually reaching anywhere near the speed via the use of gravitational 'slingshotting' is impossible since nothing but a black hole produces enough mavity to do so. Before you say 'what about a black hole then'... Before we got anywhere close enough to a black hole to use its mavity to the required effect we would be destroyed by it. Also, we'd first have to travel light years away to get to the nearest black hole.

We will never reach the next galaxy, dream about reaching the next star sure but the next galaxy may as well not exist to us.

I love your optimism guys but while technology does change, physics doesn't and some things are physically impossible.

 

[Glaucus]

Protect them from high speed?
Also you don't need close to the speed of light for our closest star.

Your also forgetting time dilation and generational ships.

There is nothing impossible about reaching another galaxy. We could fire of a probe now. It would just take millions of years to get there.

 

[PermaBanned]

you are a summing the universe is termed with advance life forms, which has no proof.
You a re assuming that such species are in the same timeline as us. In other words we exist at a similar time. The universe is billions of years old, it would be exceptionally ease for hundreds of intelligent species to exist, but never at the same time.
You are also assuming that we exist with time dilation. What might be a few decades of flight for them, is thousands of years for us.

Also that they actually want to meet us... still, if you want something more 'refined' on this then i suggest looking up the Drake Equation, which roughly calculates the number of intelligent species there should be in the galaxy.

As for time dilation... a thought occurs. We're quite far out from the galactic central point, aren't we? The point that everything in the galaxy is spinning around. Now that means that we must be travelling faster than say, a species that lives relatively close to it. Which means that time is passing slower for us. Would 'Civilization B', in this example, advance at a much higher rate than ourselves?

 

[Glaucus]

The drake equation is a load of bs. There is nothing refined about it. It is guess worked based on guess work, with no real values or mathematics,

 

[Garonazz]

''We will never reach the next galaxy, dream about reaching the next star sure but the next galaxy may as well not exist to us.''

Biggest laugh of this thread yet.

 

[PermaBanned]

Ok let's say that hypothetically, we managed to produce a ship capable of travelling to the nearest star. For this to be possible and for the travel time to be feasible the magic... I mean technology we will need will have to propel us to close to light speed.

IF that is possible we then have to produce another million types of technology to protect the ship and its passengers from the effects of high velocity travel.

Now back to square one; actually reaching anywhere near the speed via the use of gravitational 'slingshotting' is impossible since nothing but a black hole produces enough mavity to do so. Before you say 'what about a black hole then'... Before we got anywhere close enough to a black hole to use its mavity to the required effect we would be destroyed by it. Also, we'd first have to travel light years away to get to the nearest black hole.

We will never reach the next galaxy, dream about reaching the next star sure but the next galaxy may as well not exist to us.

I love your optimism guys but while technology does change, physics doesn't and some things are physically impossible.

We don't feel speed, we feel acceleration. Here's an interesting article regarding the first unmanned probe study to one of our closest stars (designed for Barnard's, but could potentially have any number of destinations):

http://www.damninteresting.com/the-daedalus-starship

Also, we may well not reach the next galaxy, but it will sure as hell reach us

 

[PermaBanned]

The drake equation is a load of bs. There is nothing refined about it. It is guess worked based on guess work, with no real values or mathematics,

It's a refined form of the train of thought you were describing which allows you to come up with a number based on which theories you find most likely at that point. No, it's not ever going to be the absolute truth. But it is pretty useful.

 

[Tigjaw]

Protect them from high speed?

That simple huh? At near-to-light-speed a particle hitting the ship would destroy it no matter what material it was made of. We're going to have to invent force fields too.

As for your second point. If we're going to be travelling to Proxima Centauri at lower than light speeds then we're also going to have to produce a ship capable of keeping its passengers alive for between 70 and 200 years.

''We will never reach the next galaxy, dream about reaching the next star sure but the next galaxy may as well not exist to us.''

Biggest laugh of this thread yet.

Plus what we will find on Mars in 50 years time or so might even speed the process up.

Biggest fool?

We don't feel speed, we feel acceleration. {snip}

We would sure as hell feel the speed if something hit us and if we don't accelerate gradually (which would prolongue our travel by many years) then we would have to accelerate immediately which is not possible.

 

[Glaucus]

It's pretty easy to keep people alive for that long. All you need is plants and recycling and enough raw materials to replace waste.

Not everything will destroy at high speed. Astronaughts suits comeback with huge numbers of microscopic holes from tiny particles. They are so fast, they just punch straight through and so small not even air can escape.

Though the scant, slow-moving particles of the Interstellar Medium are seldom larger than grains of rice, the millions of tiny, high-speed impacts would have a sandblaster effect upon the Daedalus. To combat this erosion damage, the Society members incorporated a beryllium deflection dome on the nose of the probe. Beryllium is a very lightweight metal with excellent thermal conductivity, making it ideal for the task. In addition, the Daedalus would be escorted by its own protective particle cloud, which would precede the spaceship at the same extreme speed, sweeping most larger objects out of the path. Any damage which occurred in spite of the protection would be repaired by a small army of “wardens,” remote-controlled robots which serve the Daedalus master computer.

 

[Garonazz]

That simple huh? At near-to-light-speed a particle hitting the ship would destroy it no matter what material it was made of. We're going to have to invent force fields too.

As for your second point. If we're going to be travelling to Proxima Centauri at lower than light speeds then we're also going to have to produce a ship capable of keeping its passengers alive for between 70 and 200 years.



Biggest fool?

People said we would never leave Earth.
People argued about the future of technology, and what do we have now ?
People thought Earth was flat.

Heck, god damn planes were a myth 500 years ago.

Many, many more. YOU are the fool, and YOU are another naysayer. You know NOTHING about future yet you judge it's course with 100% of reassurance.

Go back to your cave.

 

[Tigjaw]

Not everything will destroy at high speed. Astronaughts suits comeback with huge numbers of microscopic holes from tiny particles. They are so fast, they just punch straight through and so small not even air can escape

I think you'll find that those particles combined with those astronaughts weren't both travelling at the speeds we'd need to reach the next star or galaxy.

It's pretty easy to keep people alive for that long. All you need is plants and recycling and enough raw materials to replace waste.

But all this is adding up, all of a sudden you not only have invented some new technology that accelerates us to Star Trek speeds, technology that protects us from high speed collisions and produced life-time living conditions for a whole crew of people. Exactly how big is this ship going to be?

People said we would never leave Earth.
People argued about the future of technology, and what do we have now ?
People thought Earth was flat.

Heck, god damn planes were a myth 500 years ago.

Many, many more. YOU are the fool, and YOU are another naysayer. You know NOTHING about future yet you judge it's course with 100% of reassurance.

Go back to your cave.

Actually no, people didn't believe the earth was flat, that's a common misconception.

Tell me, are you this open minded about people with other blind faiths like yours?

I'm not the one backing up my knowledge with the past and with voodoo, I'm not the one that still believes there's magic on mars. I'll go back to my cave if you stop watching sci fi.

 

[Glaucus]

None of that is new technology.
It would be big.

Your physics also fails, it wouldn't make one slight bit of difference if the astronuaght was moving at the speed of light, no more energy would be imparted. It drives all the way through,adding more energy would not change anything apart from the velocities of both objects afterwards.