Fiat 500 auto test drive

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The ongoing saga of the new car in the 69 household. Today we test drove the latest Fiat 500 auto. Though we have the Peugeot 207 on our shopping list, finding a good auto example has proved quite difficult. The trump card is that we'd have taken up a red Fiat 500 if one turned up first, because we both like the car. And it's got a metal bootlid, which means it'll hold a bike rack. Most of the other superminis we've looked at have had glass bootlids and can't take roof bars, which is no good for us.

Test drive first is always sensible, however...

We wanted the 1.2 for economax motoring, despite being prepared to spend £9k. I was worried about the power because it's only 67hp, which isn't much more than my Anglia rolled out of Dagenham with in 1968. That said, it is a light car and modern fuel injection give a lot more bottom end than old engines ever had. Needed to check though, in case we wanted the 1.4.

First impressions are quite pleasing. For a small car you're quite high up and the seating position is very comfortable. Steering wheel is a good size and where you can really grab it and get all over it if you need to. Interior is quite a lot nicer than the competition with painted panels instead of thin textured black plastic. There was a surprising amount of space in the back considering it looks so small, and I could have handled a short journey back there despite being 5'10 with long legs.

The new auto is a robotic manual, so it's not a traditional auto box. It's got strange controls, no creep and the engine is stop-start. When you roll to a stop with your foot on the brake, the engine cuts out and restarts the moment you take your foot off the brake. How this works on a steep hill I'm not sure, but it felt like without some serious handbrake practice you'd end up rolling into the car behind you at least once. I didn't like it. It was also incredibly slow at reacting. In most autos if you want to force a gear change you push the throttle down a bit to make the box react and it kicks down. This one really took some jabbing and the drop-down was very very slow indeed. You did sit there wondering when or if it was going to do it, in both economy and sport modes - another thing I didn't like. It wasn't short of power though and the 1.2 shot it up the road with no problem at all, plus the engine wasn't noticeably labouring or making a lot of noise.

The dealbreaker for me was the centre console. Sitting in the driving seat my right leg was quite comfortable, but my left leg was hard against the console and held at an uncomfortable angle with my foot slightly turned in. After a few minutes driving I did figure out that there was a foot rest, but it's in the wrong place and my leg was still being held at that uncomfortable angle. This was exactly the same in the manual, so nothing to do with the auto model. That, coupled with the fact that the pedals seemed to be quite a long way off the floor and I kept missing them when I moved my feet, broke it for me.

I really really wanted to like the 500. It's got so much going for it, but there is simply no way I'd be able to drive it any distance.
 
£9000 on a 1.2?

Buy a £5k Fiesta 1.4, sorted. Pointless spending big money on an appliance unless you've got cash to burn, and if you've got cash to burn no need to worry about whether its a 1.2 or not. Especially with an Auto.
 
We don't want a £5K Fiesta, Fox :)

When 3 year old 500s have depreciated less than £3K from list price they're holding their value surprisingly well. I can't see it losing any more than a pre-depreciated Fiesta will do over the same period.
 
We don't want a £5K Fiesta, Fox :)

You are buying an appliance to take you from A to B with a tiny engine, some seats and some doors though, so I don't really see why not. You say you don't like the 500, a Mini has no 1.2 litre engine, so you are now back to looking at non-quirky, non-interesting, utterly tedious supermini's as the two vaguely cool ones are out of the equation.

If you fancy something decent instead - totally understandable - then... buy something decent rather than sifting around for drossy 1.2 litre rubbish. Because a 1.2 litre engine and autobox is just.. no.

I mean whats left on your shortlist?
 
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Get a Yaris like me for £6.5k and save yourself £2.5k ! :D

It has a metal boot too for your bike rack and can sit 3 people at the back as well.
 
[TW]Fox;19249796 said:
I mean whats left on your shortlist?
Rule the Mini out because I don't like the way it rides or a few of the features on it that would drive me mad in ownership. It's another car I really want to like but can't.

Sadly, the shorlist is down to either a 207 or a Yaris. I'd prefer the 207 because it's a bit bigger inside, but there's really nothing in it.

I'm not sure what your point is with the 1.2 though? It drove fine, had plenty of power when it was in the right gear and a 1.4 would have made no difference on that gearbox. Same way the much bigger heavier Prius had plenty of power with a 1.5. As per my normal argument, if I want to go fast I've got two other cars to do it in...

Edit: unless of course you're confusing a small engine with povo spec? Which the 500s aren't, they come in full trim options with all the engines and the one we were looking at had almost every trim option on it.
 
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Right - exactly my point. A Peugeot 207 or a Toyota Yaris. Automotive appliances. A to B cars. The 207 is particularly terrible which just leaves a Yaris.

You do not need to spend almost £10k to get a Toyota Yaris, to do so just seems completely silly and pointless. And that £5k Fiesta I mentioned - hardly a world away from a 207 is it?

I get why you'd want a 500 over a £5k Fiesta. Totally. It's in the sane vain as the Mini - its a cute, funky, loveable, retrochic thingy.

But a 207 is just 'Some car'. You dont need £9k to buy 'Some car', especially as arguably an 08 Fiesta is a better car than a 207 in every possible way anyway. I'm hardly advocating a W reg Punto.
 
Did it not have hill holder? Most Fiats do nowadays. Mine does. Robot auto sounds awful though. Once drove a Citroën with one a little while ago and it was bloody awful.
 
It's basically a manual box mechanically that is shifted by a robotic system rather than doing it yourself. It's different to the traditional automatic gearbox which uses a torque converter rather than a clutch.
 
It's basically a manual box mechanically that is shifted by a robotic system rather than doing it yourself. It's different to the traditional automatic gearbox which uses a torque converter rather than a clutch.

And it knows what gear is best by itself? Or do you use some paddles ?
 
We just sold a Panda with the same dualogic gearbox, found the auto change very smooth without any jerking as some semi auto's seem to do.

Can I ask about the stop- start, I had a test drive in a Citroen fitted with that about 4 years ago & I found it annoying when it constantly restarted.
Does it it involve the normal starter motor every time or have they found a different way ?
Just wondered how they work because our hybrid car obviously has stop start but doesn't have a starter motor so it restarts silently & pulls away.
 
[TW]Fox;19250374 said:
Right - exactly my point. A Peugeot 207 or a Toyota Yaris. Automotive appliances. A to B cars. The 207 is particularly terrible which just leaves a Yaris.

You do not need to spend almost £10k to get a Toyota Yaris, to do so just seems completely silly and pointless. And that £5k Fiesta I mentioned - hardly a world away from a 207 is it?

I get why you'd want a 500 over a £5k Fiesta. Totally. It's in the sane vain as the Mini - its a cute, funky, loveable, retrochic thingy.

But a 207 is just 'Some car'. You dont need £9k to buy 'Some car', especially as arguably an 08 Fiesta is a better car than a 207 in every possible way anyway. I'm hardly advocating a W reg Punto.
I get what you're saying but we weren't going to be spending £9k on a 207 or the Yaris, they go for nearer £6500 and you pay a bit more for the auto. The point is, I don't mind opening my wallet for something I really like, which might have been the 500.

I disagree with you over the 207, I think it's a better buy. For us. If we're going to get a car that size it's got a lot more space inside than the competition and I prefer the interior. It's as big a car as I want, I don't want a saloon. We've considered the Fiesta and Focus but she isn't so keen on them, nor the Mazdas, though out of them the Fiesta bothers me the least. Golfs and Audis at the £6500 mark are all 5+years old with 80-90K miles on them, covered in scratches and chips, due a big service and basically about to become worthless within a year or two. And I'm not prepared to push my budget up for an Audi or Golf because I'm simply not into them.

The superminis are all a bit too small but we could have lived with it with the 500 because it's a nicer product all round and we live in town.

I don't like buying cars. I'm happy with my old shonk.
 
We just sold a Panda with the same dualogic gearbox, found the auto change very smooth without any jerking as some semi auto's seem to do.

Can I ask about the stop- start, I had a test drive in a Citroen fitted with that about 4 years ago & I found it annoying when it constantly restarted.
Does it it involve the normal starter motor every time or have they found a different way ?
Just wondered how they work because our hybrid car obviously has stop start but doesn't have a starter motor so it restarts silently & pulls away.
Yep, used the normal starter motor. Same as the Golf that has it. Seems to be a super efficient quiet starter motor because it fires up almost instantly and quietly.
 
BTW, there's a solution for your bike rack problem. Thule make a bike rack of different sizes that will fit on a towbar. The unit I have sits three bikes quite happily. Can't see me ever using my car to actually tow anything, but it's a brilliant solution for carrying bikes.
 
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