Large Hadron Collider (LHC) creates and traps Antimatter.

Combat squirrel said:
I think its a massive breakthrough, holding it at temps much higher than near absolute zero is the next step, once thats done, antimatter power stations yes please, MUCH more power than nuclear power.
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No it's not.

It takes more energy to make than you'll get back, they aren't capturing natural anti matter they're making it.


it's like saying you could make a car battery power plant.
 
here comes the blackhole when they trap it and arent able to release it after :D

2012 is coming! that we can be sure of :) after that 2013 wether we will be here to count it is another matter muahahahahahaha
 
So when matter and anti-matter collide, they make energy?

If so, couldn't that be used to generate power? Or is it the wrong type of energy?
 
Marky said:
So when matter and anti-matter collide, they make energy?

If so, couldn't that be used to generate power? Or is it the wrong type of energy?
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yes but you have to make the antimatter first which takes huge amounts of energy, then store it which also takes energy.

You could whoever use it for extremely energy dense fuel.

So you could say make it in huge land facilities using large conventional power plants to power submarines or spaceships (if you can store it for a long time and the reactor is small enoguh to make sense.


Although if both the antimatter particle and it's mater counter part are converted 100% into energy.

You only need to make sure the process you make and store antimatter is less than that total energy so say it could take 150% of the energy release by the antimatter particle to make, but you'll still get 50% of the energy from the matter particle destroyed as "profit".

which could mean you could make a energy profitable antimatter matter power plant but i don't think you're going to see the production becoming that efficient.
 
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[tinfoilhat] Ahh, my beer fuelled master plans are coming to fruition :) Once antimatter can be readily produced and stored in a practical manor the energy cost of producing it is moot tbh. It's easy!

Build a moon base, place a large lens in space along with an even larger mirror, direct the beam into the moon base where it is trapped as either solar and or thermal power (heating water to steam in a closed loop, driving turbines) and build your antimatter plant. Nice distance too, can't say I'd like an antimatter plant across the road [/tinfoilhat]
 
Tefal said:
No it's not.

It takes more energy to make than you'll get back, they aren't capturing natural anti matter they're making it.


it's like saying you could make a car battery power plant.
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Tefal said:
yes but you have to make the antimatter first which takes huge amounts of energy, then store it which also takes energy.

You could whoever use it for extremely energy dense fuel.

So you could say make it in huge land facilities using large conventional power plants to power submarines or spaceships (if you can store it for a long time and the reactor is small enoguh to make sense.


Although if both the antimatter particle and it's mater counter part are converted 100% into energy.

You only need to make sure the process you make and store antimatter is less than that total energy so say it could take 150% of the energy release by the antimatter particle to make, but you'll still get 50% of the energy from the matter particle destroyed as "profit".

which could mean you could make a energy profitable antimatter matter power plant but i don't think you're going to see the production becoming that efficient.
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Im not sure I quite agree with this, anti matter and matter reactions are the most energetic in the known universe, far surpassing nuclear reactions, im going to read up on this and get back to the thread, if thats the case creating this particle of anti matter should have massively drained energy from multiple nuclear reactors? it no makes sense.

I don't think creating anti matter itself is draining, only colliding matter at massive energies which I understand to be the only way to create explosions in particle reactors large enough to 'pop' an antimatter into existence.
 
Tefal said:
yes but you have to make the antimatter first which takes huge amounts of energy, then store it which also takes energy.

You could whoever use it for extremely energy dense fuel.

So you could say make it in huge land facilities using large conventional power plants to power submarines or spaceships (if you can store it for a long time and the reactor is small enoguh to make sense.


Although if both the antimatter particle and it's mater counter part are converted 100% into energy.

You only need to make sure the process you make and store antimatter is less than that total energy so say it could take 150% of the energy release by the antimatter particle to make, but you'll still get 50% of the energy from the matter particle destroyed as "profit".

which could mean you could make a energy profitable antimatter matter power plant but i don't think you're going to see the production becoming that efficient.
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I'm not quite sure what you mean by the "profit" part of your post. When you produce anti-matter you must produce it in an anti-matter/matter pair, otherwise you have violated baryon number conservation. As a result, no matter how you put it even if you made such a pair in a 100% efficient process, you cannot get out more energy than you put in it.
 
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|Thomas| said:
I'm not quite sure what you mean by the "profit" part of your post. When you produce anti-matter you must produce it in an anti-matter/matter pair, otherwise you have violated baryon number conservation*. As a result, no matter how you put it even if you made such a pair in a 100% efficient process, you cannot get out more energy than you put it.
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ah ok in that case its always infeasible as generation then.
 
Tefal said:
ah ok in that case its always infeasible as generation then.
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Unfortunately not...

Energy storage is a vague possibility, but the big problem with it is you'll always require something like a magnetic field to store it. Pumping energy in to store "energy" is never a good thing :).
 
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Anti matter toilet roll could clense your bunghole like never before. Worth taking to the dragons ?
 
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