What is your definition of a Supercar?
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But they both fit the description of exotic, exclusive & high performance.
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I think you mgiht be confusing yourself
if you say the m5 isnt a sports car then sure as **** the mx-5 isnt
Erm no, the M5 is as i said a Super Saloon, it's not a sports car.
Do we really need to get into the Super Saloon, Grand Tourer, Sports Car debate?
don't need to get in any debate, its a sports car, regardless what sub category you want to pedant it into
I'd consider the Porsche Panamera, CLS63AMG, Aston Martin Rapide as Super-Saloons/Coupe's whatever they are.
No, it isn't.
A "Sports Car" has a very defined shape. An M5, being a 4-door, will never be a "sports car", regardless of how sporty it is, or how capable it is, or how insanely fast it is.
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GT cars really.
It's not me being a pedant it's you being wrong.
An M5 has too many doors to be a sports car, it's performance is irrelevent, that why the term Sports Car is such a broad catageory.
The "Hypercar" thing is what brings in most of the confusion as it degrades the term super-car, according to Ferrari the original GTO's and the F40/50/60 are the only super cars they have ever made, the F3xx's are merely sports cars.
Case in point the Honda NSX, arguments always erupt about wither its a supercar or not, in reality it was a better car than the Ferari it was designed to compete with (348) in every way conceivable (barring a Ferrari badge ofc) despite being about half the price, in addition it was also better than the 355 and comparable to the 360 (the 360CS was the first 3xx to match the NSX-R's time round the ring) so you would be forgiven for thinking it was a supercars because it could hang with other alleged supercars.
For me a super car has to be just that, reliability isn't important, it has to look like something a schoolchild would want as a toy (that would always beat the normal car toys in a race) and be insane from the design POV, it doesn't even have to be that good (i.e Countach, XJ220) because you don't need to know how fast/powerful it is, it just has to have that fire that makes you imagine it being better than all other cars like a real super hero.
Case in point the Honda NSX, arguments always erupt about wither its a supercar or not, in reality it was a better car than the Ferari it was designed to compete with (348) in every way conceivable (barring a Ferrari badge ofc) despite being about half the price, in addition it was also better than the 355 and comparable to the 360 (the 360CS was the first 3xx to match the NSX-R's time round the ring) so you would be forgiven for thinking it was a supercars because it could hang with other alleged supercars.
For me a super car has to be just that, reliability isn't important, it has to look like something a schoolchild would want as a toy (that would always beat the normal car toys in a race) and be insane from the design POV, it doesn't even have to be that good (i.e Countach, XJ220) because you don't need to know how fast/powerful it is, it just has to have that fire that makes you imagine it being better than all other cars like a real super hero.
Of course it's a sports car. It's designed with some performance in mind.
MX5 - Sports Car
Clio 182 - Sports Car
M5 - Sports Car
Then something like an Enzo or Veryron is a supercar (eventually getting into "hypercar (I dislike that word) territory as you go further up the performance). Anyway, it's all a very subjective thing depending on the person's opinions on what makes a car what it is.
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We've had this argument before, with several people refusing to accept that the term Hypercar was real.
Yeah Grand-Tourers but I don't think as them as one. When someone mentions GT cars I think Bentley Continental GT, or a Aston Martin Vanquish, Merc CL.
Basically something which is big, with 2 doors and seats four. Because the one's I mentioned have 4 doors, I just think of them as Super-Saloons.
Interesting point of view. Personally I'd consider both of those supercars - at least when they were new.
Does performance means it has to be expensive, lets take the Ariel Atom supercar performance at low cost, where are these cars in the equation they meet all the supercar criteria