Poll: Terry Pratchet what the...

Euthanasia?

  • I'm in favour of assisted death for anyone who chooses it

    Votes: 252 41.4%

  • I'm in favour provided the person is suffering from a terminal condition

    Votes: 301 49.4%

  • I'm not in favour of assisted death

    Votes: 31 5.1%

  • I hold no opinion about it

    Votes: 25 4.1%
  • Total voters
    609
It's my life and as such I should be able to choose the terms on which I go out ... simple as.

Obviously if you are too badly injured to decide yourself then that's another thing but if you can clearly understand what you are doing and want to do so then you shouldn't be stopped.
 
its a good documentary but showing the man dying at the end is a bit much and rating grabber i do think it should be legal for terminally ill people to chose to die in this country
 
Robbo said:
You have my backing to be a Don. Stand and bang.
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I have practically the whole of motors backing, including all the top tier ones, its a travesty that I am not yet a mod even before my campaign is even off the ground seen as how many people have come out in favour for it.
 
hurfdurf said:
Nope.
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Well, it is. You've argued that religious people fail at critical thinking and logic on the basis that a minority of religious people are young earth creationists and a minority of them have been involved in the institutionalised child abuse in the Catholic church. That's a spotlight fallacy.

You've then used a non sequitur (I'm sure I could dig up a more fancy fallacy here) in jumping from the fact that YECs and child abusing Catholics have no critical thinking or logical capabilities, which is a leap of logic.

I'm not saying that there aren't religious people who aren't terrible at logic and critical thinking, but to say that they all are and for the reasons you've given is absurd.

PS hurfdurf the mod... Best of luck...
 
vonhelmet said:
Well, it is. You've argued that religious people fail at critical thinking and logic on the basis that a minority of religious people are young earth creationists and a minority of them have been involved in the institutionalised child abuse in the Catholic church. That's a spotlight fallacy.

You've then used a non sequitur (I'm sure I could dig up a more fancy fallacy here) in jumping from the fact that YECs and child abusing Catholics have no critical thinking or logical capabilities, which is a leap of logic.

I'm not saying that there aren't religious people who aren't terrible at logic and critical thinking, but to say that they all are and for the reasons you've given is absurd.
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I disagree my good man. I have shown the most extreme examples which show the lack of logic and critical thinking yes, but people who perpetrate the myth of religion, non YEC's and Catholic child abusers, also lack such things and are on par with these people despite their own actions not being as extreme. Whilst it is indeed the priest who rapes, it is his congregation that allows him his way of life and position of power based on following the same nonsense.


vonhelmet said:
PS hurfdurf the mod... Best of luck...
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Many thanks.
 
hurfdurf said:
I disagree my good man. I have shown the most extreme examples which show the lack of logic and critical thinking yes,
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So far, just about with you.

hurfdurf said:
but people who perpetrate the myth of religion, non YEC's and Catholic child abusers, also lack such things
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You're going to have to elaborate on that, because so far it's reading like an assumption.

hurfdurf said:
and are on par with these people despite their own actions not being as extreme. Whilst it is indeed the priest who rapes, it is his congregation that allows him his way of life and position of power based on following the same nonsense.
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OK. How about the congregation of a non-raping priest? What about them?
 
hurfdurf said:
I disagree my good man. I have shown the most extreme examples which show the lack of logic and critical thinking yes, but people who perpetrate the myth of religion, non YEC's and Catholic child abusers, also lack such things and are on par with these people despite their own actions not being as extreme. Whilst it is indeed the priest who rapes, it is his congregation that allows him his way of life and position of power based on following the same nonsense.
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I'm not even religious and that makes me :o

That is a shameful use of logic to come to that conclusion. Child abuse happens in all walks of life.

Lots of religious people have the ability to employ logic and critical thought, just because you reject their belief or 'myth' is really irrelevent as evidence that you seem to bring forward.

Too subjective.
 
vonhelmet said:
OK. How about the congregation of a non-raping priest? What about them?
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They are lending their support to notion that a God/Deity/Sky Wizard/Supernatural being exists with zero evidence. This lends credibility to organised religion as a whole, in which power bases exist, some of whom use their power for immense evil. This is ignoring the absurdity of believing in one particular God/Deity/Sky Wizard/Supernatural being against all others not based on evidence, but on cultural norms and up bringing. If Allah why not Jesus or Zeus or Buddha or Yahweh or flying Spaghetti Monster.

This shows a lack of logic and critical thinking and presents a source of ethics not based on what solely is good for humanity, but what is good for the fictional God/Deity/Sky Wizard/Supernatural being.
 
AcidHell2 said:
But as someone else will probably step in and say.
If it's a random selection then it is accurate to within a few percent when scaled up. Not that I nessacerly agree, but it shows this should be properly debated.
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It's not random though, it was conducted on the phone in Brighton. Now i would not consider the type of people who answer cold callers and actually continue to talk to them a random sample. Also Brighton voted in a Green MP so is more likely to be of a liberal nature. There sample is probably as random as ours. Being into computers should not have any factor over whether you agree with assisted suicide or not.
 
Biohazard said:
That is a shameful use of logic to come to that conclusion. Child abuse happens in all walks of life.
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Indeed, but that instance of Child abuse was allowed to happen and be covered up by a massive organisation that has the support and financial backing of all its non child abusing members.
 
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