Anyone used a KPRO before. I just bought one !!

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Just bought a KPRO off ebay for £722. It's a separate ECU so I will have mine for spare. Quite happy about that as usually a tuner will mod your own ECU. Will be a lot easier to sell in the future.

Mainly interested at getting the VTEC a bit lower on my EP3 Type R.

Anyone used one before.
 
£722 just to lower when vtec kicks in (yo)? Ouch :(.

I thought it was accepted among the Honda community that honda knew where to best place the change over place on a standard/near standard engine and messing around with it caused more harm than good?
 
The VTEC kick is arguably engineering into the cars to create the very thing Honda wanted - performance cars which was a step change from the previous stuff. As previous posts of yours have suggested you are not familiar with the Honda community, VTEC is not optimum for tractive effort, the main gains from K Pro have little to do with high lift cam point but optimising air fuel and spark timing along with the inlet cam timing.
 
Lowering VTEC engagement usually accompanies manifold/headers/exhaust where gains can be maximised with a good tune.

Just on it's own I don't personally think it is worth it.
 
Sin_Chase said:
Lowering VTEC engagement usually accompanies manifold/headers/exhaust where gains can be maximised with a good tune.

Just on it's own I don't personally think it is worth it.
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Quite, but it's a good first step and arguably the most expensive bit. Tuning a VTEC is never cheap though :( £1000 for the same gains as a £25 MBC on an MR2 Turbo :p
 
It is a good first step. But paying for a properly decent tune is going to be less worthwhile/value for money without supporting mods to open up what you can do.
 
I had K-Pro with headers/exhaust/intake - dyno mapped.

Expensive game but the car was quick and there was power everywhere.
 
A silly thing to buy unless you have properly modified the intake and exhaust system as a bare minimum. Also to 'properly' map a car you really can't do it in a cheeky hour or so, there is a lot too it. I'm considering having it done to my UK DC2, but that's because the engine has been verified to be in amazing nick and the only thing to try to find out why the power is down is playing with the exhaust and intake.

It's also damn expensive for what it is!

You can't just stick branded bits on and just expect gains and miracles, if only engine systems were soo simple!
 
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This is exactly the reason I refused to go further than exhaust and breathing on my Skivvic. The bhp/effect per pound just becomes shocking.
 
Ignore the people saying it's pointless and going to cost a fortune and is a waste etc. Speak to Romain at Eurospec in Guildford for an idea of what he can do, you'll gain no top end power but a good amount across the mid range and it makes a LOT of difference to the car and shuts the people up about no torque.

Further to that most maps up the rev limiter a tiny bit which lets you hit sixty in second which obviously makes a lot of difference to the car. What the above people are saying is correct in someway though with regards to having a full map costing a lot n taking a while. However most of the Honda tuners have a range of base maps, pick the most suitable and then can do minor adjustments and have it done incredibly quick.

One thing I would say however is if you do plan to get the CAI (get the tegiwa gruppe m!), exhast and Accord inlet (assuming your talking EP3 etc) then I'd hold of on mapping until you've all the above fitted. A friend slowly bolted on all the extras as funds allowed then finally plugged in his new ECU last minute and had it mapped and is now pushing near enough 240BHP top end and crazy amounts more power across the mid range!
 
Alex*TLR said:
Further to that most maps up the rev limiter a tiny bit which lets you hit sixty in second which obviously makes a lot of difference to the car....
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If your a chav who likes traffic light GPs.

I can understand about in gear power and torque and the need for more as that is what you will use on a day to day drive.

Upping the rev limiter 500rpm so you can hit 60 in second gear seems like a stupid idea to me :confused:
 
Being able to get 60 in second makes no difference to the car day to day and only serves to improve the 0-60 time. A stat which most of us agree is a pretty empty figure as an indication of overall performance :p

Tuning N/A will always yield the least BHP/£ but that's not to say it is never worth it, just less worth it depending on your expectations and budget.
 
Probably worth just sticking on the stock ECU till you get those parts then?

What kind of a base map does the KPRO have and is it suitable for running without being adjusted appropriately?
 
Sin_Chase said:
Probably worth just sticking on the stock ECU till you get those parts then?

What kind of a base map does the KPRO have and is it suitable for running without being adjusted appropriately?
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Remember a Hondata Kpro is an adapted stock Honda system with the OEM calibration on things like injector voltage trims, ECT, IAT etc. So a 'base map' is very much different to an aftermarket EMS basemap. No reason it could not mimic the exact stock Honda one with a bit of fuel pulled out top end as they all run rich as stock to manage combustion heat.
 
No doubt it can do what a stock map can, just whether or not it can do that by chucking it in or whether you need to adjust SOME things and whether those things might be undesirable if left.
 
Theres no point having it fitted and mapped until you have done the breathing mods and any other mods that a remap would take advantage of

Its mental really though, think about how much a full system with a pain in the arse decat pipe, intake, intake manifold, maybe cams, the K-PRO and the tuning, its a hell of a lot of money for what, 20/25BHP?

I'd just sell up and buy a quicker car
 
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