30th of June strikes.

[platypus]

750k parasites are going to strike. I probably won't even notice.

I thought the tube was private, I was not aware that the tube drivers could be considered to be public. Tube drivers striking affects everyone in london, even if you don't use it. But the rest of the public sector parasites can strike for all i care as i won't even notice, as I like millions of other people do not use any of their services.

Uh christ. Where to begin...

 

[MrMoonX]

my contract of employment with the civil service clearly states that I pay in 3% and i retire at 60, now this government wants to change that without even asking me.

Its a pittance anyway £7k after 38 years service is a joke, hardly the gold plated nonsense the daily mail and tories spout is it?

It no wonder we are going on strike when this government refuses to negotiate and simply makes changes without consultation, anyway 30th June is just the beginning of the end

 

[bam0]

You are aware that pensions are investment schemes, right? And that like any investment scheme the value of your final take out pay can go up as well as down?

I thought one of the problems was that most public sector pensions weren't invested, money coming in pretty much goes straight out to pay people already receiving their pensions.

 

[Deleted member 66701]

Depends on what you mean by consultation? Our bank has changed it's final salary scheme [part of the risk reduction that Banks are going through]. There have have been consultations but no choice. It's either accept it or leave. It's caused an outrage, particularly for those that have long service.

That's not consultation. What are you doing to fight it? An employment tribunal would have a field day with that.

So it annoys me the unions in the public sector still hold the public to ransom when they throw there toys out of the pram.

It annoys you that someone else is organised and has the guts to do what you're too chicken *** to do yourself? What an odd man you are.

It's disgusting behaviour and I still can't believe that in the 21st centurary this still goes on!!!

Exactly - you'd have thought the government would have got better at employee relations by now wouldn't you?

Everyone has a right to voice an opinion but not at the expense of other peoples expense and livelihoods. It's just selfish..

So, you view the coalition in the same light then?

 

[Participant]

Gonna be a **** load of retired old broke people in about 50 years .

 

[MrMoonX]

if we dont stick up for ourselves who will in this time of oppression and inequality against the workers?

 

[platypus]

The form of the scheme is a contractual entitlement - so if it's a final salary scheme then it should remain a final salary scheme. Changing it to a career average scheme without negotiation* is a breach of contract.

Would it be better offering the terms of a pay cut or redundancy?

Negotiation is not the employer sitting in a room with the Union saying "we're doing xyz and there is jack **** you can do about it".

No it's not. Neither is striking.

 

[Hatter The Mad]

Nope. i just value teachers for the excellent service they provide. Could you sit in a class of 30 children and teach them maths or english? I know I couldn't - I couldn't imagine a worse job.

That's why they get paid well

 

[Tummy]

Gonna be a **** load of retired old broke people in about 50 years .

Indeed.

 

[Deleted member 66701]

That's why they get paid well

Do they?

 

[Admiral Huddy]

It annoys you that someone else is organised and has the guts to do what you're too chicken *** to do yourself? What an odd man you are.

If that's what you'd like spin.. then fine.. Personally, I would voice my opinion and would do so constructively but not at the expense of other peoples convenience or livelihood, which I thought I made clear. You would prefer 70's style industrial action? Look where that got the country at the time.

Exactly - you'd have thought the government would have got better at employee relations by now wouldn't you?

Sell it off!

 

[platypus]

Do they?

Yes, yes they do.

 

[Freakbro]

Personally, I would voice my opinion and would do so constructively but not at the expense of other peoples convenience or livelihood, which I thought I made clear.

How far did that get you?

There have have been consultations but no choice. It's either accept it or leave. It's caused an outrage, particularly for those that have long service.

Then that isn't a consultation is it. And the collective response was outrage...and to suck it up, go you.

I'm a private sector worker too btw, and I support the strikes.

 

[trigger-happy]

woot more money lost for the economy! Yeah!

 

[Pneumonic]

Its about time workers in the public sector joined the real world...

the vast majority of private sector workers have accepted no or limited pay rises over the past 3 - 4 years... the vast majority of private sector workers no longer have final salary pension schemes as they are unfeasible to maintain...

The public sector are still being offered a damn good pension scheme and the majority of them have negotiated pay increases...

Perhaps instead of making required changes to redress the book balances we should make 25% of the public sector redundant so that we can continue to maintain these unfeasible level of benefits?

Jesus some people need to get a grip.. and try living in the real world

 

[RDM]

I don't think it will make a huge amount of difference to be honest. About the only one that will significantly impact most people is the teachers striking. How many will actually strike will be interesting to see too considering how few actually voted for it. A couple of friends of mine are teachers and are debating striking or not, not something they believe in against the intimidation they will be subject to if they don't.

I also think the strikes are premature, the negotiations regarding pensions are still ongoing, nothing has been decided yet so the strike seems a bit childish. I could understand it more if they were presented with something they didn't like but whilst negotiations are ongoing?

Finally public sector pensions have to change, people are living longer so the current pension arrangements are unsustainable.

 

[RDM]

Do they?

Most teachers I know have no problems at all with the amount they are paid.

 

[platypus]

How far did that get you?

And how far do you think striking will get people? I'll be very surprised if the government back down over it.

 

[Cosimo]

Gonna be a **** load of retired old broke people in about 50 years .

They might as well keep working until they die. Will probably have to.

 

[anything I don't mind]

The public sector was always full of empty promises. That is how the socialist politicians got their jobs in the first place. Spending money that they do not earn, of course they are going to promise above market rate pensions.

The public sector is way too bloated, from welfare to the military. But what do they end up wanting to cut, libraries and some front line staff... not going to make any difference.

The public sector spend my annual tax "contribution" £10k in 10 seconds. I just read in the paper that one council is going to spend £15k on some fish to go in to a pond.

They are in another world the lot of them. I hope they all lose their pensions and their jobs just so they catch a wake up.

If you think that the public sector pensions are a problem, just wait until the national insurance ponzi scheme fails. Then no one will have a state pension, even private sector workers.