30th of June strikes.

MrMoonX said:
my contract of employment with the civil service clearly states that I pay in 3% and i retire at 60, now this government wants to change that without even asking me.

Its a pittance anyway £7k after 38 years service is a joke, hardly the gold plated nonsense the daily mail and tories spout is it?

It no wonder we are going on strike when this government refuses to negotiate and simply makes changes without consultation, anyway 30th June is just the beginning of the end
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you want the generation to pay for your pension? and then the next lot after that paying for theirs? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
arknor said:
you want the generation to pay for your pension? and then the next lot after that paying for theirs? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
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That's pretty much how public sector and state pensions work. A legalised pyramid scheme that is slowly unravelling because people are living longer, so more money is being used than is being payed in. Hence retirement age being raised to try and combat the state pension black hole.
 
Come gather round children
it's high time ye learned
'bout a hero named Serwotka
and a devil named Dave

We'll march 'til we drop
the girls and the fellas
we'll fight 'til the death
or else fold like umbrellas

We'll march day and night
in the city of the tower
they have our pensions
but we have the power

Next: Classical Gas.
 
platypus said:
Which is exactly the same for most of the private sector.

Hey, we're all in this **** together..
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They just all need to grow up a little and realise *shock horror* life isn't fair and they are only going through and I might add to a much lesser extent what most of the private sector has been subject to for a number of years..

the money needs to be saved somewhere.. if it isn't pensions or pay freezes then it will be redundancies and further cost cutting.. how is that difficult to understand?
 
RDM said:
I also think the strikes are premature, the negotiations regarding pensions are still ongoing,
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No they aren't.

nothing has been decided
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Yes it has.


Finally public sector pensions have to change, people are living longer so the current pension arrangements are unsustainable.
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teachers pensions were renegotiated in 2007, with the full agreement of staff and the unions. As a result they are now fully self funded.

The recent mandated changes are ideological and nothing more - the government has even said that money saved will be ploughed into the deficit - it's nothing to do with making the pensions more affordable.
 
The people who are on strike are aware we are still in recession don't they?

They should try working in the private sector, or try running their own business, then they would appreciate what they have. As for teachers even a crap teacher, of which there are many, get guaranteed pay rises pensions etc, not all teachers are worth what they are paid.

Having said that if they manage to **** the government off its not a total waste
 
Pneumonic said:
They just all need to grow up a little and realise *shock horror* life isn't fair and they are only going through and I might add to a much lesser extent what most of the private sector has been subject to for a number of years..
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Life isn't fair but it should be.

Regards the private sector - maybe it's time they got a backbone and organised then isn't it?

If you keep lying on your back someone will eventually **** you.
 
stuartw_b said:
get guaranteed pay rises pensions etc,
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You are aware that there is a pay freeze for teachers aren't you. Also, you state garunteed pensions - you understand what we're discussing in this topic don't you? :confused:
 
Delvis said:
Its all a load of tosh, 29% vote to strike and they suddenly think that means everybody :p
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The Tories were voted in by 23.5% of the UK electorate and they think they have a mandate for thier ideological attacks on the state. If it's good enough for them.................
 
Pneumonic said:
They just all need to grow up a little and realise *shock horror* life isn't fair and they are only going through and I might add to a much lesser extent what most of the private sector has been subject to for a number of years..

the money needs to be saved somewhere.. if it isn't pensions or pay freezes then it will be redundancies and further cost cutting.. how is that difficult to understand?
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Teachers in particular seem to have the "not in my backyard attitude"; I'm talking from knowing a lot of teachers, no atc and no london underground employees.

Given that, according to PWC, private sector employees have to contribute 37% of their salaries to match public sector pensions perhaps the entire sector should go on strike. Oh, wait..
 
amigafan2003 said:
The recent mandated changes are ideological and nothing more - the government has even said that money saved will be ploughed into the deficit - it's nothing to do with making the pensions more affordable.
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Uh you lost me there...if they save money by altering pension arrangements then they are by definition making pensions more affordable.
 
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