Cameron doesn't care about the UK manufacturing industry
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I love people talking about British cars as some nasty little snipe about Britains industrial incompetence.
And I get tanked for being 'Anti British'!
Do you know what, I think a lot of you do fine well and dandy yourself.
And yet i bet none of them would turn down a Jag or an Aston in a hurry
[TW]Fox;19396726 said:
come on, you cannot be this naive surely,
The Germans, French, US, Japanese, Chinese, Spanish, Dutch, Belgians, Indians and pretty much every other nation in the world favours their own industry, usually by imposing some petty import rule that puts up the price.
These countries are extremely nationalistic in terms of home grown products, it's only this country where people with a lot more money than brains have been suckered in by the 'German Engineering' 'Vorsprung durch high running costs' rubbish.
So we borrow money and pay it to Germans, lets hope these new trains are something special and can turn the economy around.
Actually aren't they going to be used to transport more bankers, lawyers and accountants in to London? Brilliant just what we need.
Which is why we should fix our problems, not just keep throwing money abroad.
Not all German companies have rock solid history of performance, look at Bilfinger Berger for example.
it's a rooted attitude now of a (ripping clarkson off a bit here) ''that'll do'' attitude. if you were project manager on a building site and two labourers came on site from an agency, one was polish, been in the country 18 months, the other was british born and bred but there was a mix up and you only required one, which one would you send back? ime, i'd be holding onto the polish one.
Did they get the contract for the trains? Terrible straw man, man.
No, they've had contracts for a few public capital spending projects across the UK, and abroad. You could say with mixed success over all.
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And yet i bet none of them would turn down a Jag or an Aston in a hurry
Except that's not what they're doing is it?
They're pointing out that most of you "we should buy British stuff" lot buy foreign because it's cheaper.
Glass houses and all that.
England Borrows money, money is paid to British workers, British workers are taxed and obviously they spend their money in shops which all in all provides about a 45% return back into our economy.
So we either use that to pay back some of the money we own or we get a nice influx of money into our economy.
Instead we now get a 3 billion debt.....it doesn't take a genius to work it out. Oh and let us not forget this project is just for London, so it is a debt that all of us are paying for.
Of course they will argue this is to service the estimated 12 billion that the Olympics is expected to generate in revenue.
You really do not get the feeling that our government has the countries best interests at heart when you read stuff like this
So we either use that to pay back some of the money we own or we get a nice influx of money into our economy.
Instead we now get a 3 billion debt.....it doesn't take a genius to work it out. Oh and let us not forget this project is just for London, so it is a debt that all of us are paying for.
Of course they will argue this is to service the estimated 12 billion that the Olympics is expected to generate in revenue.
You really do not get the feeling that our government has the countries best interests at heart when you read stuff like this
The tone is how it came across to me anyway, and I think others. It appears quite regularly when British industry is mentioned, although the reasons are multi-layered.
You yourself started digging in with claims of inferior quality when that in fact has little to do with the problem at hand.
I think you've got a broken pane
Yes.
I've already mentioned what it is. Economic composition and then framework that hampers UK industrial competitiveness here and abroad.
What do you think it is? The industries are just **** quality?
Wow, the government should really have consulted you first, if only they had read this post before offering the contract - doh!!
And lol at your London comments - I'd love London and the South East to be independent from the rest of the country. You realise these trains will be getting people to work who prop up a lot of the rest of the country?
nice buzzwords.
Care to explain it to a layman?
For some things yes, for others we are just over priced for the quality we provide.
Only way to fix that is to build products no one else can or slash costs, which can only really be done though slashing wages, working conditions or ideal though major automation and modernisation of the industry (at a very hefty cost).
problem being each option is heavily opposed.
Don't worry, you'll get the money back from them as a bailout when the UK goes the way of Greece.
They don't prop up the rest of the country, nothing like so direct. They prop up some aged imperalist beast with their excess would be a better way of looking at it, and London is one of the highest subsidised areas in the UK in terms of public spending.
London isn't 'pure magic' as I think some people get the impression, it is also very inter-depenent on the rest of the UK.
Although this x area vs y area financial disagreements, to me anyway, highlights how the Union isn't bringing any unity.
prop up.... really, I think not, bleeding the rest of the country dry more like.
They aren't buzzwords Tefal. Buzz means its just been made up and is partially hollow, these are pretty straightforward economic and political terms.
Industry can't compete when it is subjected to a high tax environment, high energy costs, and an economy that is dominated by financial transactions because the result is a strong currency exchange, which demolishes export demand.
If they have little export demand or viability, that in reduces overall capacity and you end up in extreme cases with small scale specialists and little more. This has a negative effect on the economy in several manifestations, we are exposed far more heavily to the blowing economic cycles, we cannot 'build' our way out of trouble, we have to take our profit on making other people profit and give it to the other people.
Woohoo.
Lets keep this plan up.
It can never ever fail.
