Suspected burglar stabbed to death by homeowner

This gang could've tortured them, raped the girlfriend etc, so to me he was in his right to defend himself and the others.

This country needs to stop pandering to criminals and protect the general public, or even let the general pubic protect itself, within reason.
 
This kind of thing is stupid.

A mate of mine had some burglars in his house a few years back, he attacked one of them with a samurai sword (not sharpened obviously).. long story short he got prosecuted and had to wait to be sentenced before the police would even think about prosecuting the robber he attacked... my mate is in prison at the moment.
 
Mr Mulligan, who heads Greater Manchester Police's Salford division, said the man suffered "at least one stab wound" when he was attacked in or nearby the house following a disturbance inside.

He also refused to comment on whether the weapon had been taken into the property buy the suspected intruder, or if it belonged to the householder.

Three other men were with the stabbed man at the time of the incident, Mr Mulligan said.
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Whilst I hate to get dragged into this....

I agree with many of you, if someone broke into my home, and threatened my gf, I'd be doing anything to stop them proceeding further....

However in this case it seems that:
a) The guy was stabbed more than once... I'd think someone would start to retreat after being stabbed once...
b) It does say he may have been stabbed near the house... Whilst burglar's are scum, I can't say if he's retreating you have the best odds...
c) As they haven't stated about the weapon... if the burglar took it in and ended up being stabbed with it, well he clearly was threatening the family...
d) The gang consisted of 4 people... which is kind of counter to the 20 I had in my mind, however again, still a fairly threatening situation.

I think all of these points create an argument for both sides of the debate that is about to ensue... As such I'll happily sit on the fence until more evidence/reports come out...

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bunch of balaclava clad men arrive at your house and proceed to break in, you really have only two options;

leave them to it and hope they don't harm you or your family while destroying and stealing everything you've ever worked for.

Or do something so un-ignorable that they all get the picture and sod off!

I'm with he home owners at this stage!
 
While I agree more facts will help to understand the situation, it's pretty clear that a 'gang of men in balaclavas' weren't exactly there for tea and biscuits, were they?

Also, he could have stabbed the guy in the arm, which might not do an awful lot, and then bloke grabbed him, so he stabbed him again?

You just don't know at this stage.
 
Nogimmix said:
This gang could've tortured them, raped the girlfriend etc, so to me he was in his right to defend himself and the others.

This country needs to stop pandering to criminals and protect the general public, or even let the general pubic protect itself, within reason.
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The gang could just have easily fled as soon as they realised anyone was home. This is why we need to know more about everyone involved to make an actual judgment on whether or not this was justified self defence or a mental case who plans killing people getting his opportunity.

Nobody is saying the burglars should be let off for their role in this also, but let's remember that is pretty much just breaking and entering, I'm not sure the law prosecutes people based upon what they may be capable of or everyone who ever got an unpaid ticket would go away for life.
 
Nogimmix said:
This gang could've tortured them, raped the girlfriend etc, so to me he was in his right to defend himself and the others.

This country needs to stop pandering to criminals and protect the general public, or even let the general pubic protect itself, within reason.
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Doesn't matter, as torture and everything else is perfectly acceptable unless ofcause you defend yourself then bad luck for you. :rolleyes::mad:

The law needs to change and this man had every right to use maximum force
 
King Damager said:
Whilst I hate to get dragged into this....

I agree with many of you, if someone broke into my home, and threatened my gf, I'd be doing anything to stop them proceeding further....

However in this case it seems that:
a) The guy was stabbed more than once... I'd think someone would start to retreat after being stabbed once...
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If you only stab them once you don't know if they're still going to be able to harm you back. Best to make sure by injuring them repeatedly.
 
I'm all for defending your home but there's a line where reasonable action crosses into deliberate harm.

Personally I'd say that as soon as they're off your property it ceases to become defence of your home. Similarly, if you set out with the intent to harm an intruder it shouldn't be classed as self defence.
 
Gaygle said:
Oh give it a rest.

This has been discussed time and time again in GD. Although i won't be shedding a tear for the burglar, it is NOT unreasonable for the homeowner to be charged for murder - depending on the circumstances.

For him to be charged with murder, i suspect that the homeowner overstepped the mark of what is acceptable when protecting your home.

Ie. in the eyes of the law you are absolutely fine to subdue an offender in your home, with reasonable force, if you feel that your life is being threatened. However it is NOT acceptable to kill an offender that is no longer a threat - if they are fleeing for instance.
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Said like a true armchair expert.

When you have a masked intruder enter your property and have milliseconds to react to the situation you, it's not unreasonable that the burglar may end up dead.

It's very easy from the safety of your armchair to contemplate what overstepping the mark and what unreasonable force is. Not so easy when it's you in that situation.
 
I don't get the law sometimes, it's not very logical or reasonable, most of the blame should lie with the people that's responsible for the initial illegal action, if things escalate based on the situation then thats just the way it is, because at the end of the day the person being robbed/attacked etc, didn't ask for it and wanted no part of it, you can hardly blame them for their actions under those circumstances.
 
magick said:
Said like a true armchair expert.

When you have a masked intruder enter your property and have milliseconds to react to the situation you, it's not unreasonable that the burglar may end up dead.

It's very easy from the safety of your armchair to contemplate what overstepping the mark and what unreasonable force is. Not so easy when it's you in that situation.
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It's the job of the police, CPS and courts to determine that.
 
I don't think it's reasonable to kill anybody whatever the circumstances - I accept that's an opinion, and one that only a few hold.

Fortunatley the law looks at it in the same way.
 
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