Suspected burglar stabbed to death by homeowner

cp88 · 23 Jun 2011 at 14:18

C.R.A.Z.Y said:
No, you get to a safe place ie you get the **** out of there!
UNLESS you geniuenly fear for your life or that of loved ones then fighting/stricking out IS NOT ACCEPTABLE. That is unless your some sort of Neanderthal that seems to think that your property is worth more than human life

Scumbags are worth nothing

Abraham · 23 Jun 2011 at 14:18

C.R.A.Z.Y said:
I'm guessing that the reason these people have been arrested is possibly because they had ample opportunity to escape the situation and instead CHOOSE to stay and fight (this can very often be easily and quickly determined with evidence at the crime-scene) , in which case I have NO sympathy for them and I hope they get punished for the crime they have committed.

Someone has been stabbed to death, the police have arrested the possible culprits. At the point of taking that decision everything else is irrelevant. A short process will see probably 1 or 2 of them released and an investigation COULD see them all released. Stop reading so much into a simple situation.

freak2002 · 23 Jun 2011 at 14:19

C.R.A.Z.Y said:
I'm guessing that the reason these people have been arrested is possibly because they had ample opportunity to escape the situation and instead CHOOSE to stay and fight, in which case I have NO sympathy for them and I hope they get punished for the crime they have committed.

In the same vain, the dead burglar had a CHOICE to not break into the house in the first place and therefore not risk being hurt!!!

PermaChanged · 23 Jun 2011 at 14:19

I think the amount of times he was stabbed should have a factor in what the decision is.

If he stabbed the guy once to warn him off per se (although stabbing is a little excessive) then it's very unfortunate. If the burgular was stabbed 5+ times then he surely knew it would likely result in death.

C.R.A.Z.Y · 23 Jun 2011 at 14:22

cp88 said:
Scumbags are worth nothing

Sadly for you they are worth something in the eyes of the law, and people who have a moral compass that actually works!!

@ Abraham, fair point. I was simply speculating but your dead right, we know nothing of the details.

233 · 23 Jun 2011 at 14:22

well done to the householder,

sorry but they deserve a medal for sticking up for themselves against these feral scrotes.

TheVoice · 23 Jun 2011 at 14:22

freak2002 said:
In the same vain, the dead burglar had a CHOICE to not break into the house in the first place and therefore not risk being hurt!!!

That isn't justification. A person breaking one law doesn't and shouldn't mean that they're no longer protected by the law.

Repta · 23 Jun 2011 at 14:23

I don't see the big deal at the minute, theyve been arrested pending an investigation, just standard procedure. They'll get the facts together then decide whether to charge them or not. Seems sensible to me

Westyfield2 · 23 Jun 2011 at 14:24

Castor said:
If i was faced with a 'balaclava gang' breaking into my house i'd be defending myself for all im worth, i hope common sense prevails in this because otherwise it's a farce.

This.

FARGO · 23 Jun 2011 at 14:25

Serious question - are you allowed to "booby trap" your property?

Or is that a no-no incase the gas/electric company come round etc?

Pestilence · 23 Jun 2011 at 14:27

C.R.A.Z.Y said:
No, you get to a safe place ie you get the **** out of there!
UNLESS you geniuenly fear for your life or that of loved ones then fighting/stricking out IS NOT ACCEPTABLE. That is unless your some sort of Neanderthal that seems to think that your property is worth more than human life

That particular argument is a cop out. The value of possessions isn't the point. It's never the point. Well, unless you're Lara Croft or Indiana Jones or something.

The point is the complete affront to your very existence, the violation of everything that you have worked DAMN hard to establish. The two fingers up to your hard-fought foundations and the destruction of your peace of mind. Anyone who thinks they can just smash their way in and destroy all of that because they can't be bothered to act like a decent human being is worthless and yes, I value all that I have above their lives.

freak2002 · 23 Jun 2011 at 14:27

TheVoice said:
That isn't justification. A person breaking one law doesn't and shouldn't mean that they're no longer protected by the law.

Perhaps you are right with 90% of laws.

I am in no way stating that those who get caught with cannabis or even robbing a car should be instantly killed by the nearest person.

However the fact still stands that they are making a choice to break into an occupied house. If they had not made that choice they would not have been anywhere close to being killed. Or as others have said, they find the property occupied they could have ran immediatly.

I have never robbed anyone, neither have I "checked" anyones back door at 3 am. And you know what I have never been killed or stabbed either.

C.R.A.Z.Y · 23 Jun 2011 at 14:28

freak2002 said:
In the same vain, the dead burglar had a CHOICE to not break into the house in the first place and therefore not risk being hurt!!!

More often then not they are poor sick individuals that have serious drug addictions that they HAVE to feed!
You see I have empathy for my fellow humans that have not had the fortune to be bought up properly like myself in a environment surrounded by love and choices/opportunity.
People aren't born wrong, their upbringing and environment make them what they are and only a cold hearted un-compassionate human would blame them for that!!

C.R.A.Z.Y · 23 Jun 2011 at 14:29

Pestilence said:
That particular argument is a cop out. The value of possessions isn't the point. It's never the point. Well, unless you're Lara Croft or Indiana Jones or something.

The point is the complete affront to your very existence, the violation of everything that you have worked DAMN hard to establish. The two fingers up to your hard-fought foundations and the destruction of your peace of mind. Anyone who thinks they can just smash their way in and destroy all of that because they can't be bothered to act like a decent human being is worthless and yes, I value all that I have above their lives.

Hypocrite MUCH!

You have just said that your material objects are worth more than the life of someone who has most likely not had the good decent upbringing you were fortunate to have. Give yourself a clap !!

Valentino · 23 Jun 2011 at 14:30

robgmun said:
While i agree with you, and playing devils advocate here, what happens if stabbing a burglar becomes ok by law. What to stop someone luring someone into their house, stabbing them and then claming they were trying to break in?

Don't be lured into an unknown house then surely? Little kids are taught not to climb into vans advertising free sweets.

It would all be dealt with on a case by case basis anyway. 4 masked people, one gets stabbed and unfortunatly dies. I'm pretty sure we can work out these guys weren't lured. 1 un-armed man gets beaten to a pulp by a cricket bat, i'm pretty sure we can call that un-reasonable force and murder.

It's not easy to fake 'self-defence' if in fact you are just a murderer.

stulid · 23 Jun 2011 at 14:30

Musty Pie said:
If they come in to rob stuff, let them? insurance will cover it.

Problem there is they will keep doing it again and again if theres no deterrent, I remember some old geezer got burgled multiple times by the same scum bag because they found it easy to do.

Anyone who enters your house and is up to no good, is fair game in my books and I will slaughter them.

Mucky_Pup · 23 Jun 2011 at 14:32

Rusty_Noob said:
I think the amount of times he was stabbed should have a factor in what the decision is.

If he stabbed the guy once to warn him off per se (although stabbing is a little excessive) then it's very unfortunate. If the burgular was stabbed 5+ times then he surely knew it would likely result in death.

So you've got a meathead burglar who's managed to get his hands around your neck and is trying to throttle you to death, you've stabbed him once but he doesn't relent. What do you do? Say "Hey mate, I've stabbed you, you need to let me go now, them's the rules"? or do you let adrenalin take it's course and you keep stabbing until he stops?

TheBrooder · 23 Jun 2011 at 14:32

cp88 said:
If someone broke into my house, I'd do more than stab them... disgusting this country.

Like what?? **** the dead body? :confused:

cp88 · 23 Jun 2011 at 14:33

TheBrooder said:
Like what?? **** the dead body?

12 bore baby!

clade · 23 Jun 2011 at 14:34

because they have been arrested doesnt mean they are going to be charged. Surely this is simply for the part of the investigation.

What makes this different is that the person wasnt in the house and was found on the street. whos to say they didnt kill him on the street?