Hitler: Substance to the views?

shifty_uk · 27 Jun 2011 at 00:15

I'm trying to gain a more indepth understanding to the extreme views of Hitler and his Nazi cronies. It's hard finding a detailed answer online without outlining the key facts that are already widely know.

We know they hated the Jews in particular and blamed them for the economic depression, the first world war etc etc etc but is there any substance or factual evidence to support his wild claims? Was he merely a fantasist that liked to pin blame or was there credible substance to what they were saying at the time? They were voted in, after all and events like Kristallnacht were widely reported at the time.

Rroff · 27 Jun 2011 at 00:26

I often wonder, if you were to take a random person off the street, put them in the same position of power as Hitler, with the same political and economic climates and so on, would we be looking back at them as being just as evil.

Nitefly · 27 Jun 2011 at 00:28

Rroff said:
I often wonder, if you were to take a random person off the street, put them in the same position of power as Hitler, with the same political and economic climates and so on, would we be looking back at them as being just as evil.

Hopefully they wouldn't declare war and slaughter millions of innocent civilians, so probably not.

shifty_uk · 27 Jun 2011 at 00:39

Rroff said:
I often wonder, if you were to take a random person off the street, put them in the same position of power as Hitler, with the same political and economic climates and so on, would we be looking back at them as being just as evil.

Hopefully not with the extreme culling. You can read all the historical facts but actually being there, voting in and consistently following such a party seems a world away but must've been mighty different at the time. Yeah, I do wonder what the views were like and how they spiralled so drastically without hard facts?

arc@css · 27 Jun 2011 at 00:41

That 'random person' would be ever so carefully selected.

Nerusy · 27 Jun 2011 at 00:44

shifty_uk said:
I'm trying to gain a more indepth understanding to the extreme views of Hitler and his Nazi cronies. It's hard finding a detailed answer online without outlining the key facts that are already widely know.

We know they hated the Jews in particular and blamed them for the economic depression, the first world war etc etc etc but is there any substance or factual evidence to support his wild claims? Was he merely a fantasist that liked to pin blame or was there credible substance to what they were saying at the time? They were voted in, after all and events like Kristallnacht were widely reported at the time.

Didn't jew bankers in the new york declared war on Germany calling for all the jews to financial boycott it?

I don't know how true it is but apparently large amount of wealth was concentrated in the hands of the jews in Germany especially.

There is a documentary out there on youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdhiHela0WU

Don't be over eager though, it states "facts" and proves the holocaust never happened /rolleyes but might give you a different prospective on the situation.

Meaker · 27 Jun 2011 at 00:47

shifty_uk said:
Hopefully not with the extreme culling. You can read all the historical facts but actually being there, voting in and consistently following such a party seems a world away but must've been mighty different at the time. Yeah, I do wonder what the views were like and how they spiralled so drastically without hard facts?

I think the most he ever got was around 30% of the vote even with a mixture of exaggerated promises and intimidation at the polling stations.

Meaker · 27 Jun 2011 at 00:48

Nerusy said:
Didn't jew bankers in the new york declared war on Germany calling for all the jews to financial boycott it?

I don't know how true it is but apparently large amount of wealth was concentrated in the hands of the jews in Germany especially.

There is a documentary out there on youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdhiHela0WU

Don't be over eager though, it states "facts" and proves the holocaust never happened /rolleyes but might give you a different prospective on the situation.

Meh the massive economic situation was OUR fault (the winners of the first world war and especially france) putting stupid economic penalties that germany could never recover from.

BloodyL · 27 Jun 2011 at 00:51

If you can, track down the rather interesting radio play entitled Dr Freud will see you now Mr Hitler
There's a pretty good write up of the play in the Daily Wooden Spoon, of all places.
I know the play is still floating around on Usenet, so it is still out there.

Nerusy · 27 Jun 2011 at 00:51

Meaker said:
Meh the massive economic situation was OUR fault (the winners of the first world war and especially france) putting stupid economic penalties that germany could never recover from.

Fail to see how this has anything to do with my post

Tefal · 27 Jun 2011 at 00:51

shifty_uk said:
I'm trying to gain a more indepth understanding to the extreme views of Hitler and his Nazi cronies. It's hard finding a detailed answer online without outlining the key facts that are already widely know.

We know they hated the Jews in particular and blamed them for the economic depression, the first world war etc etc etc but is there any substance or factual evidence to support his wild claims? Was he merely a fantasist that liked to pin blame or was there credible substance to what they were saying at the time? They were voted in, after all and events like Kristallnacht were widely reported at the time.

the Jews generally had money, which made them an excellent scape goat and target for "look these are the people that have done this to you!!"

then let the population have their revenge and instantly boost your popularity and funds from confiscated gold/resources and slave labour all in one fell swoop.

much the same way far right parties blame it all on immigrants in a "don't worry it's not your fault it's the evil imigrants2 and the far left is "no no no you're all good people it's all the evil bankers /capitalists to blame".

Glaucus · 27 Jun 2011 at 00:55

Nitefly said:
Hopefully they wouldn't declare war and slaughter millions of innocent civilians, so probably not.

Sure about that, people love to blame everyone but their selves.

Just look how many hate foreigners, look at how people hate the middle east and their laws, politics and everything else.

I wouldn't be so confident that they would not declare war.

shifty_uk · 27 Jun 2011 at 01:00

Tefal said:
the Jews generally had money, which made them an excellent scape goat and target for "look these are the people that have done this to you!!"

Yeah. These are one of the widely known facts. Jews have always been wealthy and cliquey but I'm wondering if there was anything a bit deeper than that. Key events perhaps or particular things the Jews did - other than become scapegoats.

Nerusy · 27 Jun 2011 at 01:03

shifty_uk said:
Yeah. These are one of the widely known facts. Jews have always been wealthy and cliquey but I'm wondering if there was anything a bit deeper than that. Key events perhaps or particular things the Jews did - other than become scapegoats.

Well as I said watch the documentary I linked

Edit: Also there was heavy propaganda against the jews. Martin Luther who created the protestant following was very anti-semitic towards the end of his life calling to burn the synagogue (he was very against the religion but not the people themselves).

Van Hellseek · 27 Jun 2011 at 01:04

Tbh, I always just assumed hitler was a figurehead for blame rather than 'evil'. I mean, I imagine most world leaders are blamed for things that were actually the machinations and decisions of people technically below them.

Not that I'm being sympathetic here, don't get me wrong.

shifty_uk · 27 Jun 2011 at 01:04

Doing so. Just thought I'd reply to Tefal as I watched.

Rroff · 27 Jun 2011 at 01:08

Van Hellseek said:
Tbh, I always just assumed hitler was a figurehead for blame rather than 'evil'. I mean, I imagine most world leaders are blamed for things that were actually the machinations and decisions of people technically below them.

Not that I'm being sympathetic here, don't get me wrong.

I'd be inclined to agree here it comes down to basic human nature - how do people behave when they have no one to answer to, except themselves, for their actions?

IceBus · 27 Jun 2011 at 01:13

shifty_uk said:
I'm trying to gain a more indepth understanding to the extreme views of Hitler and his Nazi cronies. It's hard finding a detailed answer online without outlining the key facts that are already widely know.

We know they hated the Jews in particular and blamed them for the economic depression, the first world war etc etc etc but is there any substance or factual evidence to support his wild claims? Was he merely a fantasist that liked to pin blame or was there credible substance to what they were saying at the time? They were voted in, after all and events like Kristallnacht were widely reported at the time.

He was an insane, megalomaniacal, racist and heartless antisemite.

Nix · 27 Jun 2011 at 01:16

Just as people today blanket blame immigrants with social ills, so did societies of past blame the Jews.

Not exactly sure on the hard-facts, but it's probably largely down to money accumulation due to the historical evidence of Jews being bankers, etc. as their religion didn't prohibit the practice.

Also, going out on a limb here, but I don't believe Hitler was evil. Delusional, yes. Fanatic, certainly. A meglomaniac, almost definitely. But, not evil.

I won't go into it here, but I don't believe that good and evil exist in terms of totalitarian forces that most people understand them to be.

fornowagain · 27 Jun 2011 at 01:19

shifty_uk said:
I'm trying to gain a more indepth understanding to the extreme views of Hitler and his Nazi cronies.

Have a look at Mein Kampf, not a very nice chap.

With satanic joy in his face, the black-haired Jewish youth lurks in wait for the unsuspecting girl whom he defiles with his blood, thus stealing her from her people.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)