Anything I can do? Sue Spar?

Hatter The Mad · 28 Jun 2011 at 13:55

[Slip];19469880 said:
The locals use http://www.p20.co.uk/ .... after some severe scepticism I decided to give it a go (basically you apply it once in a day and can swim, beach etc and not have to reapply) and wow.... amazing.. couldn't recommend it enough

Agree

div0 · 28 Jun 2011 at 14:26

Sunburn = Bad
Suntan = Good

I'd much rather build up a natural defence and enjoy the sun, than to hide inside and be pasty white forever. But at the same time, I'm aware of the dangers of exposure to the sun, particularly when you let yourself get burned.

I can only assume that the people saying 'OMG anything less than 30+ may as well be using milk', are just people who are naturally very pale. If I was in Greece in June, I'd probably not put on Factor 15 and sit in the sun all day. But as long as I was sensible around midday, then I'd be very surprised if I burned using Factor 15. That being said, I usually start on a higher Factor cream that I probably need, because I know how easy it is to get caught out in different countries.

hurfdurf · 28 Jun 2011 at 14:37

Energize said:
You don't seriously think that's normal?

Far from it, I was just pointing out that this woman has clearly not taken care of her self, is probably mentally unstable and her skin is probably a symptom of that, not the normal use of sun bed and proper sun care.

SexyGreyFox · 28 Jun 2011 at 18:18

hurfdurf said:
not the normal use of sun bed and proper sun care.

No such thing.
Go out sunbedding/sunbathing regularly and it will get you years down the line.

Fuzz · 28 Jun 2011 at 18:22

What was wrong with wearing a hat and a white linen long sleeved top? You don't see Bahrainians slapping on the lotion every morning. Damn stuff is no good for you anyway in my opinion, when you think about the chemical cocktail you are slapping all over your skin.

Benzophenones (dixoybenzone, oxybenzone)

PABA and PABA esters (ethyl dihydroxy propyl PAB, glyceryl PABA, p-aminobenzoic acid, padimate-O or octyl dimethyl PABA)

Cinnamates (cinoxate, ethylhexyl p-methoxycinnamate, octocrylene, octyl methoxycinnamate)

Salicylates (ethylhexyl salicylate, homosalate, octyl salicylate)

Digalloyl trioleate

Menthyl anthranilate

Yes... Paste me up with some of that please. NOT

And then when you start reading things like..

Worldwide, the greatest rise in melanoma has been experienced in countries where chemical sunscreens have been heavily promoted The rise in melanoma has been exceptionally high in Queensland, Australia where the medical establishment has vigorously promoted the use of sunscreens. Queensland now has more incidences of melanoma per capita than any other place on Earth. (Garland, Cedric F., et al. Could sunscreens increase melanoma risk? American Journal of Public Health, Vol. 82, No. 4, April 1992, pp. 614-15).

Maybe throwing on a bit of protective clothing instead of slapping on that greasy crap wasn't such a bad idea after all.

Hatter The Mad · 28 Jun 2011 at 18:38

Scubascorpion said:
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Correlation does not equal causation. Perhaps that the rise of chemical sunscreens has given people a false sense of confidence so stay out longer in the sun, thus leading to an increased number of cases of skin cancers.

The thing you quoted doesn't mean that it was caused by the suncreen at all.

I take that you don't use lib balms or deodorant, then?

Fuzz · 28 Jun 2011 at 19:00

Apart from the fact it's beginning to look like it does of course.

Recent studies showed that, following the successful "Slip-Slop-Slap" health campaign encouraging Australians to cover up when exposed to sunlight to prevent skin cancer, an increased number of Australians and New Zealanders became vitamin D deficient.[63] Ironically, there are indications that vitamin D deficiency may lead to skin cancer.[64] To avoid vitamin D deficiency, vitamin supplements can be taken. Adequate amounts of vitamin D3 can be made in the skin after only ten to fifteen minutes of sun exposure at least two times per week to the face, arms, hands, or back without sunscreen. This applies in sunlight when the UV index is greater than 3, which occurs daily within the tropics and during the spring and summer seasons in temperate regions.

Edit* and no, I don't use lip balm as I don't bat for the other team.

The point I'm making is that with the sun, there is an option that to me sounds more sensible than slapping on a cocktail of chemicals to my skin that's had 4.1 millions years of evolution under the sun to get right.
The need to "smell good" is day and work type dependent, so most days, no, I don't bother with deodorant as I wash regularly, don't stink and don't really need to smell good to anyone anyway.

Energize · 28 Jun 2011 at 19:08

Scubascorpion said:
Maybe throwing on a bit of protective clothing instead of slapping on that greasy crap wasn't such a bad idea after all.

Gee do you think that maybe the reason they were promoting the sun screen was because of the rise in cancer rates?

Fuzz · 28 Jun 2011 at 19:15

Energize said:
Gee do you think that maybe the reason they were promoting the sun screen was because of the rise in cancer rates?

Not really, no.

1. Even though more people use sunscreen than ever before, the incidence of skin cancer in the United States and other countries continues to rise (Aceituno-Madera 2010; Jemal 2008; Osterlind 1992).

2. A number of studies conducted in the 1990s report higher, not lower, incidence of the deadliest form of skin cancer, malignant melanoma, among frequent sunscreen users (Autier 1995; Westerdahl 2000; Wolf 1994).

3. According to the American Cancer Society, malignant melanoma accounts for only 3-4% of all skin cancer cases, but is responsible for 75% of all deaths attributed to the disease each year (ACS 2010) (See side-bar: “The 3 types of skin cancer”)

4. To date, studies show that regular sunscreen use reduces risk for squamous-cell carcinoma (SCC) but not other types of skin cancer. SCC, a slow-growing, treatable cancer, is estimated to account for just 16% of all skin cancers annually.

G-MAN2004 · 28 Jun 2011 at 19:45

Greebo said:
I pretty much run factor 50 nowadays and still stay out of the mid day sun.

arknor said:
erm even in this country factor 15 is weak :O factor 50 tbh

SPF30 offers only 0.5% less protection than SPF50, but is a lot less stickier and greasier. I'd go with that instead.

Energize · 28 Jun 2011 at 20:05

Scubascorpion said:
Not really, no.

I think that is likely the case actually, since you have posted no evidence to the contrary I will assume so.

Tefal · 28 Jun 2011 at 20:08

Scubascorpion said:
Maybe throwing on a bit of protective clothing instead of slapping on that greasy crap wasn't such a bad idea after all.

It's more likely that people in those countries and that use sunscreen do it because they are sun bathing and so have a much higher prolonged exposure to the sun...

Tefal · 28 Jun 2011 at 20:10

Scubascorpion said:
The point I'm making is that with the sun, there is an option that to me sounds more sensible than slapping on a cocktail of chemicals to my skin that's had 4.1 millions years of evolution under the sun to get right.

true but for all but the last 200 years of the 150,000 + years people have been on the earth we didn't tend to live past 30.

Nikias · 28 Jun 2011 at 20:24

Tefal said:
true but for all but the last 200 years of the 150,000 + years people have been on the earth we didn't tend to live past 30.

I thought it was just the infant mortality rate and frequent wars that skewed the 'life expectancy' statistics. Some right old codgers living to 90+ in antiquity like Sophocles et al.