sounds horrible... why dont they retrain as nhs nurses or something easier, maybe they could join the police? go serve in afghanistan or somewhere similar? and then tell us how hard that school life was
Teachers on strike
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No I don't support them, my pension fund is used to get an annual pension, which amounts to sod all p.a., but equates to around 25 years, whereas a public sector worker can have anywhere between 1/3 and 1/2 of their final salary for the rest of their life, when in reality their pension pot would only cover 3 years of that, and for the rest of their retirement (which they probably get to take at 55-60) the government coffers is picking up the tab.
I'm sure everyone would love to pay in 3.5%, and get a final salary pension scheme at the end of it, but we live in a place called teh real world, where that isn't possible or sustainable.
I'm sure everyone would love to pay in 3.5%, and get a final salary pension scheme at the end of it, but we live in a place called teh real world, where that isn't possible or sustainable.
If she doesn't like it then she can always change job. Its the harsh reality of the workplace. There are plenty of people in the private sector who pull equally long days / hours and they aren't exactly sitting on a cushy pension and a nice retirement package at 60
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Both my parents were teachers and they tend to work through the evening with marking. If school starts at 9AM, they're usually there by 8AM, so that plus marking doesn't make great hours at all. They have to attend the odd opening evening and parent evenings too. Then they spend half the summer holidays designing new classes, making changes to curriculum etc. I for sure wouldn't want to be a teacher.
why dont the teachers go fight in a war we dont belong in and then after if they still think parenting is long hours , they suffer vebal and physical abuse at school , dont get holidays when they want them etc they can complain about how horrible the job is and i might take them seriously when they try to sell me sympathy.
you think other jobs dont start early? finish much later and dont involve planning outside of work hours?
Education is the silver bullet. Education is everything. We don't need little changes. We need gigantic revolutionary changes. . . . Competition for the best teachers should be fierce. They should be getting six-figure salaries. Schools should be incredibly expensive for government and absolutely free of charge for its citizens, just like national defence.
they dont matter because teachers have to risk insurgents , IED's , snipers , suicide bombers etc on a daily basis and they work really long hours , often the job starts before they are actually at school and they even to write a lot of reports.
Your entire line of argument is utterly ridiculous. Does that mean that only the army are allowed to complain about their jobs? Also if every teacher did do as you rather cleverly suggested, who's going to be teaching the next line of doctors/surgeons/police officers/bankers/scientists etc?
Congrats, you've earned a "rolleyes" for services to stupidity
That seems to be what is happening. Instead of people trying to understand what teachers do, they seem to be happy to say "puh! i don't care as long as it doesn't affect me!". Whereas if the government were making a decision that was going to be costing them hundreds of thousands of pounds over their career, you can bet your bottom dollar they would be bitching and moaning like hell.
Jesus. Yeh, we get it. People in the army have a tough job. Believe it or not other people have tough jobs too, in slightly different ways. But it doesn't mean those who don't have the most dangerous or toughest job aren't free to fight for their rights.
At this point, i'm going to stop short of issuing you with another rolleyes - however, i'm confident you will earn another one in posts to come...
Some LSAs do an amazing job and they get paid an absolute pittance.
I agree to some extent. Teaching should attract very talented, compassionate people and I personally feel we need a big re-think of what our children are forced to learn at school. Schools should be made into the centres of the community to get that old social spirit back.
what is utterly ridiculous is the story your trying to sell us of how hard teachers have it..
the scenario you portray sounds like a lot of jobs most of which are lesser paid but the people working them arent living in clown cuckoo land for the most part and realise we are living in tough times and sacrafices need to be made.
I'm a teacher on strike today. The reason I voted yes is purely financial, and that's because I was promised a career path with suitable remuneration for my skills and qualifications.
The teachers pensions were renegotiated with union cooperation only a couple of years ago to make them self-funded. That means the tax payer does not pay for peoples pensions as they claim them in retirement.
Currently we have been subjected to a pay freeze (amounting to almost 8% pay cut over two years of massive inflation)and an effective 10-15% cut in my pension total from the change in inflation uprating. That is quite enough already thanks - I've done my fair share of cost cutting for the government!
This latest change is an ideological one from the government, and to increase my payments into the scheme by around £100 each month (effectively a £1200 a year pay cut as I get no benefits from this that I do not already get) whilst at the same time changing the agreed standards upon which pension values are calculated (average salary) will mean that over my career (I'm only 2 years in!), including some promotions, I am liable to pay at least £60-70k more in pension contribution than is in my contract, and even putting aside the inflation losses, I will still lose a couple of hundred thousand from my pension when i claim it (assuming i end up with a decent position in a school - which is my career plan). I know that sounds like a huge number, but spread over 30 or 40 years, but it is really just 4-6k a year - important, but not un-affordable for the scheme.
The thing that really gets on my nerves is the people who say that we are already well paid enough. I have a first class physics masters degree from a Russell group university. I am currently earning around £24k pre-tax. If I had not trained, but had gone into the private sector, I would be on a salary over £40k in defense, nuclear, finance, technology, oil, renewables, or any of the other employers that would have valued my skills for what they are worth. If you are suggesting to me that you think, in addition to the existing cuts we are subject to, that it is fair to unilaterally alter our contracts such that well qualified teachers such as myself no longer have any reason to stay in the profession then I can only assume you are happy with the bad teachers that so many of you insist pervade the education system (of which I will admit there are a minority - though they will not get promotions, and so would not get a large pension even under the existing final salary scheme).
The last thing I should point out is that as I already said, currently the teachers pension scheme is self-funding (i.e. contributions cover payments without taxpayer intervention). If the proposed changes go ahead, a large proportion of existing and new teachers will opt out of the pension scheme in favour of private pension arrangements (according to union surveys and analyst predictions). This will result in an overall reduction in payments into the scheme, and as such for the remaining life of the scheme it will require taxpayer support to pay the increasing number of pensioners over time, from the every decreasing number of working contributors.
I hope you can understand at least a little of the reasons for teachers striking now (though I am not happy about other unions piggybacking on our cause)
The teachers pensions were renegotiated with union cooperation only a couple of years ago to make them self-funded. That means the tax payer does not pay for peoples pensions as they claim them in retirement.
Currently we have been subjected to a pay freeze (amounting to almost 8% pay cut over two years of massive inflation)and an effective 10-15% cut in my pension total from the change in inflation uprating. That is quite enough already thanks - I've done my fair share of cost cutting for the government!
This latest change is an ideological one from the government, and to increase my payments into the scheme by around £100 each month (effectively a £1200 a year pay cut as I get no benefits from this that I do not already get) whilst at the same time changing the agreed standards upon which pension values are calculated (average salary) will mean that over my career (I'm only 2 years in!), including some promotions, I am liable to pay at least £60-70k more in pension contribution than is in my contract, and even putting aside the inflation losses, I will still lose a couple of hundred thousand from my pension when i claim it (assuming i end up with a decent position in a school - which is my career plan). I know that sounds like a huge number, but spread over 30 or 40 years, but it is really just 4-6k a year - important, but not un-affordable for the scheme.
The thing that really gets on my nerves is the people who say that we are already well paid enough. I have a first class physics masters degree from a Russell group university. I am currently earning around £24k pre-tax. If I had not trained, but had gone into the private sector, I would be on a salary over £40k in defense, nuclear, finance, technology, oil, renewables, or any of the other employers that would have valued my skills for what they are worth. If you are suggesting to me that you think, in addition to the existing cuts we are subject to, that it is fair to unilaterally alter our contracts such that well qualified teachers such as myself no longer have any reason to stay in the profession then I can only assume you are happy with the bad teachers that so many of you insist pervade the education system (of which I will admit there are a minority - though they will not get promotions, and so would not get a large pension even under the existing final salary scheme).
The last thing I should point out is that as I already said, currently the teachers pension scheme is self-funding (i.e. contributions cover payments without taxpayer intervention). If the proposed changes go ahead, a large proportion of existing and new teachers will opt out of the pension scheme in favour of private pension arrangements (according to union surveys and analyst predictions). This will result in an overall reduction in payments into the scheme, and as such for the remaining life of the scheme it will require taxpayer support to pay the increasing number of pensioners over time, from the every decreasing number of working contributors.
I hope you can understand at least a little of the reasons for teachers striking now (though I am not happy about other unions piggybacking on our cause)
Bahahhahahahahah!
If we valued our teachers more highly you might have been educated to a better standard. Or are you just trollin'?
its just the picture gaygle was painting for me :S