Exactly, if you don't like it, get out. I fail to see why unions are still being recognised in this day and age to be honest.
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Exactly, if you don't like it, get out. I fail to see why unions are still being recognised in this day and age to be honest.
Well said Minto.
Come on now sir trollalot, you clearly started the army references with post #50
I think such comparisons are largely irrelevent when people are trying to describe the challenging conditions facing some teachers.
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Nope, sorry. I don't support any type of industrial action which is nothing more than black-mail that serves no purpose other than to compromise what's already a delicate economy in this country, particularly in this case when nothing has actually been agreed.
Most of us have had to make some sacrifices at work at some stage, pay cuts, freezes, review of pension schemes and so on... some have even lost their jobs so I'm at the opinion as why they think they are any different.
Nope, sorry. I don't support any type of industrial action which is nothing more than black-mail that serves no purpose other than to compromise what's already a delicate economy in this country, particularly in this case when nothing has actually been agreed.
Most of us have had to make some sacrifices at work at some stage, pay cuts, freezes, review of pension schemes and so on... some have even lost their jobs so I'm at the opinion as why they think they are any different.
Irrelevant? Whether you think teachers do a fine job, or have it easy, fact is the public pension system is unsustainable for this country. How many options are there?
She must be a bit of a mug then. My sister is also a (very good) teacher. She never spends any holidays in school bar the odd inset day. Her lesson planning is done in the evenings and now that's she's been doing it for 6 years she has become very efficient at it.
Because they have had to make sacrifices also, and some have lost jobs?
Don't give it the 'only the private sector has felt any pain' because it isn't reflective of reality, more the Times agenda ridden opinion pieces perhaps.
Minto said “The thing that really gets on my nerves is the people who say that we are already well paid enough.”
You are paid enough compared to the rest of the school staff. Teachers are at the bottom of the list for whom needs pay sorting out in schools and teachers don’t realise how good they have it in comparison.
My problem is the teachers don’t care unless it affects them. The rest of the school staff get hit much harder than teachers and the teachers don’t care and don’t strike when they asked for help. Then teachers get hit lightly in comparison and they expect all the none teachers to support them and strike.
In comparison to the rest of the staff Teachers have it very easy.
You are paid enough compared to the rest of the school staff. Teachers are at the bottom of the list for whom needs pay sorting out in schools and teachers don’t realise how good they have it in comparison.
My problem is the teachers don’t care unless it affects them. The rest of the school staff get hit much harder than teachers and the teachers don’t care and don’t strike when they asked for help. Then teachers get hit lightly in comparison and they expect all the none teachers to support them and strike.
In comparison to the rest of the staff Teachers have it very easy.
Thanks! now lets watch as people completely ignore reason and continue to complain about holidays!
(off to march in manchester now - see you later!)
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And what qualifications does it take to be a classroom assistant?
I mean no offense to the thousands of excellent ones, but all you need is a pulse, a CRB check, and an english gcse to get the job. Those who are well qualified and choose to do it offer great value to the school, but it is their choice not to train and get the qualifications needed to be well paid (in any sector), or not to apply for a job with more responsibility that fits the qualifications they do have (eg some teachers come back in a lower paid support role after having children specifically because it reduces the workload so much).
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Except teacher's pension is sustainable and self funding.
Only a few years ago teachers had their pensions altered to make them so, but now they are lumped in with all of the public sector?
how about the government actually does the fair thing, and takes all the public sector pensions self funding on an employment by employment basis, and alter them like had already happened with the teacher's pensions?
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Boo Hoo I wont get such a massive pension and might have to make some actual provision myself like the rest of the country. They’ll want to take my 12 weeks holiday per annum off me next and make me work 7.5 hours a day like everyone else, cry/sob.
Just another example of public sector workers thinking they are immune to economical climates and better than the rest of the population tbh.
Just another example of public sector workers thinking they are immune to economical climates and better than the rest of the population tbh.
Most private sector employees lost their final salary pensions years ago.
LOL, you really are spouting some verbal dribble.
Go to Afghanistan? THATS WHY YOU JOIN THE ARMY, you don't join the army to have tea and cup cakes at a dinner party every day.
The holidays and working hours thing is a red herring, given the amount of planning and marking teachers have to do.
There's a valid argument to be had here - let's not get lost in fallacies.
Approx. 7,500 final salary schemes are still on the go in the private sector.
I remember when a certain member of Oasis said that line, oh gosh the drama!
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I never mentioned Private or Public.. Merely pointing out then everyone is in the same boat. The only difference it would appear is that the public sector use the industrial clout they have behind them.
True but they are slowly being reduced. Ours is being switched as we speak with a salary sacrifice scheme.
Seriously, there’s your red herring right there. My mother was a maths teacher, probably one of the best ones in the whole area. I know exactly how much planning and preparation work goes into being a teacher during the “holidays”. I saw it first hand for 21 years.
The fact is being a teacher is an insanely rewarding career, its why you do it. But lets not try to kid everyone that you spend your entire end of term time buried in prep. It simply doesn’t happen.