Teachers on strike

Vonhelmet · 30 Jun 2011 at 13:19

Delvis said:
Did I say it was self funding? Quote my post saying exactly that.

You said:

Delvis said:
As has been stated, the private sector does not pay towards their pension

Not quite the same thing, but so long as the government has to bail them out that means we are all bailing them out.

Delvis said:
have you seen an MP's wage, have you seen the amount they can claim for? They can cliam for wiping their arse and flushing the toilet without anyone in expenses batting an eye lid

Any other problems with the system that you care to list? There's loads of things that need sorting out, but just because someone is sorting something out that you don't particularly like doesn't mean it's necessarily a valid argument to list all the other things you'd rather they sorted out first.

Danthus · 30 Jun 2011 at 13:20

vonhelmet said:
Except only a third of people have any sympathy with teachers, judging by opinion polls, so it's more likely to create the "Sort these arses out!" pressure, than the "Please capitulate with their demands!" pressure.

And don't forget the 40% turnout for the vote.

weeble · 30 Jun 2011 at 13:22

Not really setting a good example to the Greeks!

Gaygle · 30 Jun 2011 at 13:23

platypus said:
Do you honestly think this strike will have any positive effect? The only likely outcome is that private sector workers will - wrongly - hate public sector workers a little more or those who were disposed towards the teachers problems before hand will resent them a little bit more.

Of course i think it will have a positive effect. It is the biggest strike in 30 years and people are listening. If the teachers just got on with it and accepted their new rubbish pensions, no body would care and the Government would be inclined to put through even more cuts if they thought they could get away with it.

The very fact we're discussing it right now means it had a positive effect - it's the exposure they want. Sure, the private sector may not like their public sector cousins as much but people are paying attention to what the civil servants are saying.

I also think it's dispicable that the government are trying to put a divide between the public and private sector to allow them to push through ridiculous and massively unfair cuts. I saw an interview the other day with a cabinet MP and it was so blatent that they were trying demonise the public sector so that the private sector supported the government and not the unions which would allow them to push through these cuts.

Delvis · 30 Jun 2011 at 13:23

vonhelmet said:
You said:

Not quite the same thing, but so long as the government has to bail them out that means we are all bailing them out.

Any other problems with the system that you care to list? There's loads of things that need sorting out, but just because someone is sorting something out that you don't particularly like doesn't mean it's necessarily a valid argument to list all the other things you'd rather they sorted out first.

I don't need to list them, you know what they are.

Fact is, they get paid loads, im sure a few k here and there won't hurt them, coupled with tighter expenses. If you own a second house because of your JOB, you shouldn't be able to claim for it. You obviously have no room for giving way and actually taking in different views of other people. It is the exact reason the country is in the state that it is in.

'I am right and you are wrong'

wildman · 30 Jun 2011 at 13:24

Delvis said:
Did I say it was self funding? Quote my post saying exactly that.

have you seen an MP's wage, have you seen the amount they can claim for? They can cliam for wiping their arse and flushing the toilet without anyone in expenses batting an eye lid

of which we as taxpayers are equally outraged.........

so again I seriously don't get your point here

topshot · 30 Jun 2011 at 13:24

Gaygle said:
Of course i think it will have a positive effect. It is the biggest strike in 30 years and people are listening. If the teachers just got on with it and accepted their new rubbish pensions, no body would care and the Government would be inclined to put through even more cuts if they thought they could get away with it.

The very fact we're discussing it right now means it had a positive effect - it's the exposure they want. Sure, the private sector may not like their public sector cousins as much but people are paying attention to what the civil servants are saying.

I also think it's dispicable that the government are trying to put a divide between the public and private sector to allow them to push through ridiculous and massively unfair cuts. I saw an interview the other day with a cabinet MP and it was so blatently that they were trying to get the private sector on their side by blaming the part of the governments massive deficit on public sector pay.

Apart from the majority of the public who are against the strikes

Vonhelmet · 30 Jun 2011 at 13:26

Delvis said:
I don't need to list them, you know what they are.

Well, yeah, pretty much. We could all list lots of things that are wrong.

Delvis said:
Fact is, they get paid loads, im sure a few k here and there won't hurt them, coupled with tighter expenses. If you own a second house because of your JOB, you shouldn't be able to claim for it.

So write to your MP and complain.

Delvis said:
You obviously have no room for giving way and actually taking in different views of other people. It is the exact reason the country is in the state that it is in.

So far, no one is really giving me a compelling reason why pensions shouldn't be tightened up, so no - I'm not yet really agreeing with anyone else.

At the end of the day, cuts are always going to be unpopular because no matter who the person on the receiving end is, they will always think it unfair. Right now it's the teachers and whoever else, so they're moaning. If it was anyone else they'd be moaning instead. Someone has to take the hit for public spending being out of control.

Delvis said:
'I am right and you are wrong'

And you didn't answer the point that everyone would, in fact, be bailing the schemes out if we allow them to continue as is.

Delvis · 30 Jun 2011 at 13:26

wildman said:
so again I seriously don't get your point here

thank you for sharing

wildman · 30 Jun 2011 at 13:28

topshot said:
Apart from the majority of the public who are against the strikes

and the majority of the public who are fed up of listening to bloated union chiefs talk about equality for their workers while living in mansions and quaffing champagne........

Get your house in order then come talk to me about mine

Danthus · 30 Jun 2011 at 13:29

wildman said:
and the majority of the public who are fed up of listening to bloated union chiefs talk about equality for their workers while living in mansions and quaffing champagne........

Get your house in order then come talk to me about mine

I agree.

Morba · 30 Jun 2011 at 13:35

do_ron_ron said:
What are you slavering at?? It is called democracy - heard of it??

You are given the chance to vote, it is your choice to do so or not.

And 60% decided that this was a non issue for them so did not vote.
The majority of people polled decided that striking was not for them.

So why is there a strike when the majority do not agree with it?

Morba · 30 Jun 2011 at 13:36

wildman said:
and the majority of the public who are fed up of listening to bloated union chiefs talk about equality for their workers while living in mansions and quaffing champagne........

Get your house in order then come talk to me about mine

Or living in a council house...

Danthus · 30 Jun 2011 at 13:37

Morba said:
Or living in a council house...

Bob Crow lives in subsidised housing.

Tunney · 30 Jun 2011 at 13:38

topshot said:
Apart from the majority of the public who are against the strikes

Poll on ITV just had 62% of people agreeing the strikes.

LOAM · 30 Jun 2011 at 13:41

Tunney said:
Poll on ITV just had 62% of people agreeing the strikes.

Of course it did, the only people who voted are the people who are at home, IE the people who are striking

. Everyone else is hard at work.

wildman · 30 Jun 2011 at 13:42

Morba said:
Or living in a council house...

which is even worse considering how much bob crow earns and the fact that he is in an affordable house which would be of far more value to one of this beleaguered RMT members

The unions have much to answer for especially their luddite leaders

LOAM · 30 Jun 2011 at 13:43

All this aside though, I agree with striking public sector workers. I do however think we should be careful what we strike them with, nothing more than a broom or a stick. We don’t want to damage them.

scorza · 30 Jun 2011 at 13:45

Morba said:
And 60% decided that this was a non issue for them so did not vote.
The majority of people polled decided that striking was not for them.

So why is there a strike when the majority do not agree with it?

Woah - they did not decide that striking was not for them, they did not express a preference either way. You can't count non-votes as a vote for one side or another.

wildman · 30 Jun 2011 at 13:45

Tunney said:
Poll on ITV just had 62% of people agreeing the strikes.

62% of 40% which is actually only representative of 30%

that's the correct maths right ? Well at least its the maths that the unions use to go on strike with.