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This is why servicing is also based on a time schedule as well as miles. Just because it hasnt done the miles doesnt mean it shouldnt have been serviced.

If its not been serviced then it should be treated as any other car that hasnt been serviced meaning walk away, at 3 years old it should have at least 2 maybe coming up to 3 services by now

Modern cars are meant to be able to make short journys with no issue, this isnt the 1980s
 
This is why servicing is also based on a time schedule as well as miles. Just because it hasnt done the miles doesnt mean it shouldnt have been serviced.

If its not been serviced then it should be treated as any other car that hasnt been serviced meaning walk away, at 3 years old it should have at least 2 maybe coming up to 3 services by now

Modern cars are meant to be able to make short journys with no issue, this isnt the 1980s


Actualy, it would only be 1 service stamp

First service is either 2 years or 10k. It hasn't done 10k so it would be 2 years.
Second service is 2 years of 20k. It hasn't done 20k and it hasn't been 2 years since the last service (its a 3 year old car).

I expect it to have 1 stamp, not 3, if you follow the book.

Mine came with 1 stamp, done at 10k. When i got it, it was bang on 20k, so I had it serviced. The number of miles I do I am not schedule for another service for 2 years. However, I am probably going to go against the book and insist a full service done next year, 12 months from the last service.
 
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Thats fine different cars have different intervals so it should be one coming up to two services then, I never did get on well with maths.

Fact of the matter is, it should have service history.
 
Actualy, it would only be 1 service stamp

First service is either 2 years or 10k. It hasn't done 10k so it would be 2 years.
Second service is 2 years of 20k. It hasn't done 20k and it hasn't been 2 years since the last service (its a 3 year old car).

I expect it to have 1 stamp, not 3, if you follow the book.

Mine came with 1 stamp, done at 10k. When i got it, it wast bang on 20k, so I had it serviced. The number of miles I do I am not schedule for another service for 2 years. However, I am probably going to go against the book and insist a full service done next year, 12 months from the last service.

Any particular reason? I think you will be wasting your money.
If Toyota think that servicing every 2 years is sufficient with low mileage then why go against that?
 
This was just going through my mind, surely modern engines have developed enough to be able to cope now?

Quick example:

If I in car A where to drive to Glasgow a couple of hundred motorway miles, I would start the car once, it would warm up fully in say 3 miles, I would make say 10 gear selections and 10 clutch depressions. The car would spend say three or four hours cruising at say 3000 rpm. Then later on I return home the opposite way.

Or

I could in Car B do 20 two mile shopping trips of 2 miles there and back in heavy traffic at an average of 5mph (not as ridiculous as you think). I would start the car twice press the clutch and select first or second gear maybe 50 or more times, use the brakes every 10 seconds, the car would never get warmed up, and I might hit 4 or 5000 revs nipping into a gap. and then repeat it all again on the way back.

so now I have two cars

CAR A
Mileage 400 miles
Running Time 7 Hours 8 Hours
Gear Changes 20
Miles Spent on cold Engine 6
Starter Motor Usages 2

CAR B
Mileage 40 miles
Running Time 8 Hours
Gear Changes 2000
Miles Spent on cold Engine 40
Starter Motor Usages 20

So okay its an extreme and contrived example. But you tell me which car is more worn.

What we are saying here is the type of driving is more pertinent than the miles covered.

Remember 75% of engine wear occurs when the engine is started, its cold the oil hasn't circulated metal grinds on metal.

Ask yourself why lots of newer cars now use a service indicator rather than having a fixed schedule.

A Mercedes will light up the tell tale sign anywhere between 7 thousand and 19 thousand miles. So in terms of wear and tear a 35k model might be exactly as worn as a 95k model. After all its had the same number of services.

The use of Mileage to judge quality is a strange phenomenon related only to Cars. Most other forms of Transports, Aircraft, Boats etc don't quote mileage. They tend to quote a much more useful figure - hours running time.

The other question is how do you verify that low mileage. If a car is displaying 100,000 miles its probably correct or close. If a car displays 20,000 is it correct, are you sure , can anyone prove it.

Now putting the wear aside from countless cold running and other issues this gives us, you also have the fact that each component in the car has a tested and specified failure rate (or number or average actuations is can make before it fails), the city car or low millage car uses each component more than the higher millage car so things will be more worn.

How are the basic problems any different to the 80's, you can't engineer them out, you will always get condensation, you will always get acid buildup in the oil, you will always get rust forming in components due to not warming them up.

Like i said before the problems compounded further if the cars been sat all week, the oil will start to drain out of various parts of the engine making the cold start issue even more of a problem.
 
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Any particular reason? I think you will be wasting your money.
If Toyota think that servicing every 2 years is sufficient with low mileage then why go against that?

According to the book, my 20k service should be a FULL service. However, I noticed when i check my papers the other day that they did an intermediate one, and charged me intermediate price.

I am half tempted to ring them up and ask why, part of me thought they must know what they (Toyota dealer, not an indie) are doing and did an intermediate service.

So the next one ought to be a full service.

EDIT - scrap that last part, i am going to call up and ask them why later.
 
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Just got a call back from the service manager. It was a full service that was done, the 20k service column was ticked on the worksheet (will check when I get home) so it was the full service. :) Turns out is just the computer put the heading under Intermediate as it's a 3 years old car.

Anyway, OP, decided on a car yet?
 
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