Pirelli Pzero Rosso VS Michelin PS2

[Gibbo]

You'll have the 'good' PZeros on the Supersport as well as on Speed cars. PZero Rossos on non speed/ss cars with 20 inch wheels (but most Flying spurs on 20 inch wheel seem to be on Yokohamas) or PZero Rossos or Michelins PS1s on 19" wheel cars. . My god I'm sad .

By the way, I'm still waiting for Gibbo to get a bollocking for buying part worns. Funny how there is one rule for some and another rule for others, hey? .

Just got to be careful where you buy from.

I got a pair of Michelin 295/30/19 from one trader, upon inspection by tyre fitter they had a chunk out the edge of the tread which went down to the cord which I did not spot on my inspection and the trader had put silicone all over the tread to give them a newer look. These have been returned for a refund which has been agreed.

These tyres came from a different supplier, and all four on inspection by same tyre fitter passed and their view on part worns or puncture repairs is that there is nothing at all wrong with them. Because a 5mm part worn is no different than say a 5mm tyre already on your car.

They said absolute worse case is if they've been sat around for a very long time they might go off and as such may take a 100 miles or so to bed back in and get on fresh sticky rubber.

But a part worn 5mm is no worse than say the tyres already on your car which may have 5mm on them. Just make sure the tyre fitter inspects the sidewalls, tread with a close eye and if a puncture repair perform a pressure test and make sure the repair is made to British Standards.

Fact is I could be 4 sets of rears and 3 sets of fronts, for the price of one new set, but my main reason for doing this is simply I don't expect to keep them on the car for long as once the Super Sport is n-rated I shall be changing to those and seeing if they really can top the PS2.

 

[Joshy]

Funny how some people read only what they want to read when they desperately wish there was some sort of conspiracy going on, hey?

No, I saw your post, I just haven't seen the thermonuclear *******ing that anyone else would have gotten for even suggesting putting part worn tyres on a supercar .

 

[Gibbo]

Gibbo when I spoke to you last you were saying the PS2 was a good choice for me! I know sweet FA about tyres, so please someone enlighten me on what would be a good choice.

I mentioned PS2's to you, Goodyear F1 V2's and Conti CS3's I think.

As Goodyear F1 and CS3's offer better wet grip which may be ideal for you, but the PS2 from personal experience offers the best feedback and dry performance.

All three will be far superior to your current Sunny ditch finders on the car which are an accident waiting to happen on a RWD Supra.

 

[[TW]Fox]

No, I saw your post, I just haven't seen the thermonuclear *******ing that anyone else would have gotten for even suggesting putting part worn tyres on a supercar .

I don't agree with his reasoning behind it, I don't agree that it's sensible and I cannot abide the entire concept but I made my point, nobody really came back to me about it so what do you want me to do? I also think its a waste of time, 5mm of tread, great, they'll be ready for a change come 3mm, hardly worth the bother for a whole 2mm of tread.

Still, at least it wasn't a mismatched partworn Linglong Joshy, so do stop trying to compare it to your car ownership routine

 

[Gibbo]

No, I saw your post, I just haven't seen the thermonuclear *******ing that anyone else would have gotten for even suggesting putting part worn tyres on a supercar .

Well they seem to be working very well, its possible a newer latest version of the PS2 maybe performs even better, though the PS2 design does seem unchanged over the years.

 

[NathWraith]

I mentioned PS2's to you, Goodyear F1 V2's and Conti CS3's I think.

As Goodyear F1 and CS3's offer better wet grip which may be ideal for you, but the PS2 from personal experience offers the best feedback and dry performance.

All three will be far superior to your current Sunny ditch finders on the car which are an accident waiting to happen on a RWD Supra.

Captain dramatic! But yeah I'll check out them all.

 

[Gibbo]

I don't agree with his reasoning behind it, I don't agree that it's sensible and I cannot abide the entire concept but I made my point, nobody really came back to me about it so what do you want me to do? I also think its a waste of time, 5mm of tread, great, they'll be ready for a change come 3mm, hardly worth the bother for a whole 2mm of tread.

Still, at least it wasn't a mismatched partworn Linglong Joshy, so do stop trying to compare it to your car ownership routine

A new tyre has 7-8mm!
These have 5mm!
They shall be changed on the rear at 2mm so they should last 4000-6000 miles on the rear and 8000-10,000ish on the front.

£300 vs £1100-£1200

Basically by buying used I've lost 3mm of tread but saved nearly £900 and as my plans are to change as soon as the Super Sport is N-rated, they should hopefully fill that stop gap, if not I can easily grab another pair for the rear for £150 and my local tyre fitter cost about £5 per wheel and is 5 minutes from work, its hardly out of my way.

But as Fox says, I've fitted 4 matching N-spec tyres from a premium brand which were checked before fitment for any possible faults. As such whats the issue and as I've already said do you all change your tyres at 5mm then?

 

[Joshy]

stuff

I think the question you've really got to ask yourself if that if these tyres are in such a great condition, and they cost so much to replace, why the hell were they taken off in the first place? Even people that go to a main dealer to get tyres changed for a premium marque don't want to spend money for fun, believe me on that. I can count the times that I've been told to replace both a damaged/well worn tyre AND a perfectly good tyre as a pair 'just because' on one hand. It doesn't happen, and I do loads of tyres.

 

[Joshy]

Still, at least it wasn't a mismatched partworn Linglong Joshy, so do stop trying to compare it to your car ownership routine

I've suggested fitting premium part worn tyres to the Soarer in the past and I was all but lynched from the nearest tree.

Like I said, one rule for some

 

[[TW]Fox]

I've suggested fitting premium part worn tyres to the Soarer in the past and I was all but lynched from the nearest tree.

Like I said, one rule for some

No, its not that at all.

Seriously, drop the pathetic victim crap for ONCE will you? You are not a unique and special ********* (Thanks magnolia ) who everyone is nasty too, my opinion on part worns is the same regardless of make and regardless of who it is who is fitting them.

Can you not read or something? I went back over old ground and clarified my point and you are still banging on about one rule for you one for everyone else.

Give it a break! Yet another stupid argument started by you, again. Doubtless you'll argue otherwise, but the thread was progressing until you popped in to have a cry.

 

[Gibbo]

I think the question you've really got to ask yourself if that if these tyres are in such a great condition, and they cost so much to replace, why the hell were they taken off in the first place? Even people that go to a main dealer to get tyres changed for a premium marque don't want to spend money for fun, believe me on that. I can count the times that I've been told to replace both a damaged/well worn tyre AND a perfectly good tyre as a pair 'just because' on one hand. It doesn't happen, and I do loads of tyres.

You should read my post in more detail. I explained this earlier.

You got a puncture on one tyre, general rule of thumb is you change both on that axle, especially on the power wheels so the diff has no issues.

So that means you've got one good used tyre, possible a second if the puncture is repairable, which makes two usable tyres.

A lot of people when they get punctures, don't even ask about a repair, they just change the pair on the axle.

Plus I've even heard stories such as people getting a puncture on a 911 and having two new tyres fitted but they were a different N version at which point Porsche insist on all 4 been changed so they are all the same N version, this results then in at least 3 perfectly good used tyres.

Maybe to some Porsche owners £1500 on a set of tyres is nothing. I have an invoice in my booklet where Porsche charged the previously owner £2200 for fitting the Rosso's and paint his wheel nuts black, yes £2200, so like I say everyone has a different figure for what is a lot of money and is not.

Your saying it does not happen, it clearly does!

 

[Joshy]

No, its not that at all.

Seriously, drop the pathetic victim crap for ONCE will you? You are not a unique and special ********* (Thanks magnolia ) who everyone is nasty too, my opinion on part worns is the same regardless of make and regardless of who it is who is fitting them.

Can you not read or something? I went back over old ground and clarified my point and you are still banging on about one rule for you one for everyone else.

Give it a break! Yet another stupid argument started by you, again. Doubtless you'll argue otherwise, but the thread was progressing until you popped in to have a cry.

Its hard not to play the victim when you get a multiple page **** taking for suggesting something but then a member of authority on this forum actually goes ahead and does it and everyone manages to ignore it and sweep it underneath the table.

Can you really not see why I'd not be a little bit miffed?

 

[[TW]Fox]

Its hard not to play the victim when you get a multiple page **** taking for suggesting something but then a member of authority on this forum actually goes ahead and does it and everyone manages to ignore it and sweep it underneath the table.

The SECOND REPLY IN THIS THREAD is me questioning part worns on a 911! The second reply! How is that sweeping it underneath the table?

Can you really not see why I'd not be a little bit miffed?

Only if you are illiterate and/or deluded.

 

[NathWraith]

Your saying it does not happen, it clearly does!

*You're


Personally I don't see a problem with part worns.

 

[Gibbo]

Its hard not to play the victim when you get a multiple page **** taking for suggesting something but then a member of authority on this forum actually goes ahead and does it and everyone manages to ignore it and sweep it underneath the table.

Can you really not see why I'd not be a little bit miffed?

Authority?

Fox knows me personally, he also knows I am the last person to bann or suspend anyone unless extreme circumstances so he knows he can give me hell and I will just argue my point without bringing out my bann hammer.

 

[NathWraith]

Joshy you do seem to be kicking up a fuss over nothing.

 

[Joshy]

You should read my post in more detail. I explained this earlier.

You got a puncture on one tyre, general rule of thumb is you change both on that axle, especially on the power wheels so the diff has no issues.

So that means you've got one good used tyre, possible a second if the puncture is repairable, which makes two usable tyres.

A lot of people when they get punctures, don't even ask about a repair, they just change the pair on the axle.

Plus I've even heard stories such as people getting a puncture on a 911 and having two new tyres fitted but they were a different N version at which point Porsche insist on all 4 been changed so they are all the same N version, this results then in at least 3 perfectly good used tyres.

Your saying it does not happen, it clearly does!

Well, I can only go by what I've personally experienced.

Its not like Bentley and Porsche owners are two different breeds. Both aren't short of money. Despite that, I've never been given a job card and told 'Bloke has a puncture on one tyre, fit a new pair to the same axle'. Never, ever, ever.

At the end of the day I haven't got much against part worns, but you've still got to wonder.

 

[Kenai]

Personally I don't see a problem with part worns.

The biggest one is generally the source of said tyres.

Consider why someone felt they ought to remove the tyres before the end of their life in order for them to become available for you to buy.

Now in this case, it may well be the case that Porsche dealers encourage changing in pairs more than most dealers do and so have a plentiful supply of perfectly good spare part worns.

Usually though, such tyres could come from any number of places for all sorts of reasons and completely untraceable to boot. Did someone just think they were crap? Maybe from accident damaged car? Maybe they were just sat on a car so long it got scrapped and someone nabbed them... etc. etc.

 

[Gibbo]

Well, I can only go by what I've personally experienced.

Its not like Bentley and Porsche owners are two different breeds. Both aren't short of money. Despite that, I've never been given a job card and told 'Bloke has a puncture on one tyre, fit a new pair to the same axle'. Never, ever, ever.

At the end of the day I haven't got much against part worns, but you've still got to wonder.

There is nothing to wonder about, the place I use for tyre fitting as does most of OcUK HQ now said there is nothing wrong with part worns.

For example that tyre place now has 4x Pirelli Pzero ROSSO, the fronts have 5-6mm and the rears 2-3mm, thats two very good front tyres and two good yet very worn rears. There is nothing wrong with these, I just changed them because my rears were getting low, I wanted a better tyre and I wanted a matching set all round. Resulting in that tyre fitter now having two very good front ROSSO's which could be ideal for anyone who maybe needs a pair of front ROSSO's. That just me who has created this, I suspect there are 100's of examples on a daily basis.

My only advice is make sure any part worn is inspected by a tyre expert, the first pair I got were unsafe and I never noticed it, the tyre fitter did!!!

 

[Joshy]

The SECOND REPLY IN THIS THREAD is me questioning part worns on a 911! The second reply! How is that sweeping it underneath the table?

Wow, a 2 or 3 replies related to exactly the same subject that I got a lot more of a moan about.

This is what gets me. I got a proper moan for suggesting that I fit part worns to a 20 year old Toyota, but he does it on a 190MPH odd 45k 911 and gets a lot less of a moan coming from the goody two shoes brigade. Tell me how that works and I'll be happy.

Only if you are illiterate and/or deluded.

Says the person complaining that I didn't acknowledge a post that I've already stated that I acknowledged?