Army troop numbers to be cut to Boer War levels

It is quite frankly stupid, as is the closure of Leuchars.
What we need is remodelling of the MoD, that does not mean a cut in our deployable forces or our ability. It means changing the management, procurement and pen pushing, over paid culture that exists so obviously.
 
Do you say to people you come from Britannia? :D

auto correct has ****ed me once again :(


You know i might spend a week not spellchecking/rewriting half my posts so you learn to appreciate just how much effort it is to get it down to just one or two mistakes :p
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14181145

What do the OCUK armchair generals (and real soldiers /respect) think about this?

Dunno, let's have a look:

BBC said:
The government is to spend £1.5bn over the next 10 years to enhance the capability of the nation's military reserves.

Defence Secretary Liam Fox told the House of Commons that thousands more reservists would be trained for front-line operations.

This would result in the Territorial Army forming about 30% of a 120,000-strong army by 2020, he told MPs.

Labour said the announcement would mean regular troop cuts of 19,000.

Lose 19,000 regular troops; gain a larger, stronger, better trained reserve army. Sounds fine to me.
 
Dunno, let's have a look:



Lose 19,000 regular troops; gain a larger, stronger, better trained reserve army. Sounds fine to me.

A bunch of lower trained, less motivated and worst equipped men are better than highly motivated, extremely trained and fully equipped fighting machines? Right...

Reservists have their role but they are not soldiers nor are they dependable. We can't expect these to fulfill the role of soldiers. There is nothing fine about this, it's madness.
 
No, because we only need one Typhoon it can single handedly defeat the whole of the South American continent. Don't listen to the naysayers, this thing can take off on a runway the length of my leg, get in the clouds in miliseconds, spot everything in the southern hemisphere and fire off it's missiles so quick that the pilot is having cups of tea on the ground re-arming before they've downed the targets.

Rinse repeat, we've won the world. That's the lasting impression I get from the armchair generals... ;)

To be fair to the capabilities of the Typhoon (and it's support) any Argentine aircraft will probably be spotted just after take off and "met" by a Typhoon before they even hit our territorial waters. "Met" by a Typhoon would probably mean half the squadron tracked and targeted by it's internal computers and missiles launched before they got within 100 miles of the aircraft... :p

Still, that doesn't mean things can't go wrong...

Geographic interests? I'm talking about the country we live in, that's as important as it gets. Such a small landmass and population does not need such a large force to guard it.

Cool. Unfortunately people are inherently selfish so when someone goes "you can't have our oil" or "no that grain isn't going to you" what do you do then with your local defence force? Let your population starve? Yeah a bit over the top but what does landmass and population have anything to do with it. Most things are and always have been about economic clout and influence, of which we have a lot of both at the moment...
 
A bunch of lower trained, less motivated and worst equipped men are better than highly motivated, extremely trained and fully equipped fighting machines? Right...

Where's your evidence that they're lower trained, less motivated and worse equipped? Are you aware that the TA regularly serves overseas in full combat operations?

Reservists have their role but they are not soldiers nor are they dependable. We can't expect these to fulfill the role of soldiers. There is nothing fine about this, it's madness.

Good grief, where do I even start with this? It seems you don't actually know what reservists are, and you don't understand the role of the TA. :confused:

Here's a helpful article to clear things up.
 
A bunch of lower trained, less motivated and worst equipped men are better than highly motivated, extremely trained and fully equipped fighting machines? Right...

Reservists have their role but they are not soldiers nor are they dependable. We can't expect these to fulfill the role of soldiers. There is nothing fine about this, it's madness.

you seem to be confusing the TA with a militia or conscripts.
 
Maths fail of epic proportions. You don't pay 100% tax.
Almost as good as the bread and fat quote by who ever it was.

Amazing, isn't this guy supposed to be an experienced IT contractor? You'd think he'd have a bit of a better grasp on maths, tax and common sense by now. :D
 
Cool. Unfortunately people are inherently selfish so when someone goes "you can't have our oil" or "no that grain isn't going to you" what do you do then with your local defence force? Let your population starve? Yeah a bit over the top but what does landmass and population have anything to do with it. Most things are and always have been about economic clout and influence, of which we have a lot of both at the moment...

The UK is hardly going to invade Saudi Arabia either as they hoard their oil either. Spending the money on developing independent resource production is a much better long term investment.
 
The UK is hardly going to invade Saudi Arabia either as they hoard their oil either. Spending the money on developing independent resource production is a much better long term investment.

why would we?

Saudi Arabia is required to sell the west it's oil so the west will provide it with the military might to make sure it never has to worry about it's middle eastern neighbours who aren't exactly keen on them.
 
Geographic interests? I'm talking about the country we live in, that's as important as it gets. Such a small landmass and population does not need such a large force to guard it.

That would depend entirely on the interests of the population at large and defending our geographical borders is only a small part of the overall defence needs of the nation.

We have both global commitments and global interests that need protecting and thus we need an effective, well trained, highly mobile armed forces to ensure the security of those global and domestic interests be they geographic, economic or political.

It is naive to think that a national defence force would be sufficient to protect the interests of the UK.
 
Lose 19,000 regular troops; gain a larger, stronger, better trained reserve army. Sounds fine to me.

Quite, there seems to be a significant amount of confusion over what is meant by reservists exactly and just how effective and utilitarian they can be.

Besides the actually combat and military training they receive (in fact many are ex regulars, RMR almost all are) they also bring a varied and essential range of civilian skills with them also.

This is not some kind of underhand dismantling of the army, in fact the UK is somewhat unique in the way it doesn't currently utilise Reservists to their full potential.

As I said before, I reserve judgement until there are more details but this is not necessarily a bad thing.
 
Why dont they just leave it alone?
That way we keep our troop numbers, our TA for when we need it, and we save 1.5bn for the politicians to spend on tarting up their hous(es)
 
Sorry for spamming but reading that article again made me rage, "regular troops to be cut my 19,000" and earlier on in the wekk the PM was at a conference saying how hard it was to get jobs in the whole of europe!
What are those 19,000 men with kids, families. What are they going to do?
 
What about a big cull of the high ranking officers?

Don't we have a ridiculous level of them milking the system anyway.
 
As a serving soldier this is quite a big thing at the moment, to clear the back log, all that is required is to get rid of those who are non deployable for whatever reason which are many, from injuries to being a single parent to mental illness, this will be in the 1000s alone. Slow down recruiting and only accept the best applicants for both commission and non commission roles. I work with the TA on a regular basis and to say they are reliable would be a lie, there are a small hand full who i would happy go back to Afghan with the rest, i dont think i would trust with a water pistol let alone a riffle. What the TA need to boost in numbers are specialist roles such as Dr's, Nurses, Dentist and other specialist roles.

At the conclusion, leave the soldering to the soldiers, just get rid of the clag and those who cant do there jobs in the regulars and the numbers will decline naturally.
 
It is quite frankly stupid, as is the closure of Leuchars.
What we need is remodelling of the MoD, that does not mean a cut in our deployable forces or our ability. It means changing the management, procurement and pen pushing, over paid culture that exists so obviously.

This
 
Anyone who thinks the TA can be relied upon to the same extent as a fully trained solider is deluding themselves. This is a ridiculous decision.
 
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