It's a big story because they have been caught, the fact that two senior men at the Met felt the need to 'resign' makes it a big story.
Surely the sames standards or higher should apply to the pm.
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It's a big story because they have been caught, the fact that two senior men at the Met felt the need to 'resign' makes it a big story.
Surely the sames standards or higher should apply to the pm.
Employed coulson, yes, had dinner with the Murdochs and Brooks, definitely not, check the past behaviour of Blair, Brown, both Milliband brothers, Ed Balls...
WHAT
"David and Samantha Cameron shared a family dinner with James Murdoch, the deputy chief operating officer of News Corporation, and his wife Kathryn, and Rebekah Brooks,
the chief executive of News International, and her husband Charlie on December 23 last year."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jul/20/andy-coulson-security-clearance-checks
Andy Coulson was not vetted to the highest level as previous chief spin doctors were. Of course, this could all be perfectly innocent - a way to save the taxpayer a bit of money by de-scoping Coulson's role so that level of clearance wasn't required. I wonder though, was there perhaps a suspicion that Coulson wouldn't have passed the higher level of vetting and so corners were cut to make sure Cameron got his man in?
Would be quite ironic if Mr Coulson didn't want his private life and history investigated when that's what he used to people behind their backs as editor of NotW.
Andy Coulson was not vetted to the highest level as previous chief spin doctors were. Of course, this could all be perfectly innocent - a way to save the taxpayer a bit of money by de-scoping Coulson's role so that level of clearance wasn't required. I wonder though, was there perhaps a suspicion that Coulson wouldn't have passed the higher level of vetting and so corners were cut to make sure Cameron got his man in?
Would be quite ironic if Mr Coulson didn't want his private life and history investigated when that's what he used to people behind their backs as editor of NotW.
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Or the director of communications doesn't need that sort of level of clearance? Coulson would have been hired because of his links to the press, especially his links to a large part of the press (didn't Stephenson say something along the lines of 40% of press readership was NI?).
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"Two wrongs ..." The relationship of politicians with the press over the last 15 years, in US/UK has been the cause of a lot of problems and populist decisions.
Your increasingly irrational paranoia never ceases to amaze me...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-14228168
Hunt may have now admitted that Cameron did actually discuss the BSkyB takeover with News International despite the Prime Minister's assurance that he had "no inappropriate conversations".
Hunt may have now admitted that Cameron did actually discuss the BSkyB takeover with News International despite the Prime Minister's assurance that he had "no inappropriate conversations".
I thought it was blindingly obvious that he had otherwise he would have just said no. The problem is that some on the left will see any conversation as inappropriate (at least one of the left wing posters on here seems to think Murdoch still breathing is inappropriate).
Did you actually see the debate yesterday or are you just going off the absolutely shocking BBC news coverage of it?
This. Clearly despite being asked 3 times at least whether he had discussed the BskyB takeover, the fact that everytime he answered with "I had no inappropraite conversations" means to me he did discuss it. He only considers that the BskyB conversations isn;t inappraopriate because he was not involved in the decision.
Whether other people will view that the same way is unlikely.
So explicitly discussing the BSkyB takeover with News International is appropriate for a Prime Minister when one of his ministers is considering whether to refer the matter to the Competition Commission? I think many would beg to differ especially given Cameron's other lapses in judgement.
Which sort of proves my point. Regardless of the content of the conversation you will think it is inappropriate and part of a bigger conspiracy.
Oh sorry I didn't realise you were actually there at the meeting and know what was said.
Oh sorry I didn't realise you were actually there at the meeting and know what was said.
Dolph knows everything, haven't you realised that yet
Oh sorry I didn't realise you were actually there at the meeting and know what was said.
Neither were you, but that hasn't stopped your conspiracy posting about it all
The natural result of your position that any discussion between Cameron and anyone from NI about BSkyB was inappropriate would be that you would consider a discussion where Cameron confirms the process would be followed without exception would be inappropriate. Do you have any idea how ridiculous that position is?
Of course you do, you can't stand the man and anything he stands for. The chances of you being at all objective about it are slim to non-existent. I am not even sure if you actually care about the issues themselves or you are just relishing the opportunity to try and fling dirt at the PM.
What do you honestly hope and expect from this? Cameron resigning? If so, what do you expect to happen if he does?
Neither were you, but that hasn't stopped your conspiracy posting about it all
The natural result of your position that any discussion between Cameron and anyone from NI about BSkyB was inappropriate would be that you would consider a discussion where Cameron confirms the process would be followed without exception would be inappropriate. Do you have any idea how ridiculous that position is?
Straw man I'm afraid old boy. That's not my position at all, for all I know it was perfectly innocent and appropriate, however given the Prime Minister's extraordinary lack of judgement recently I have no confidence in him to know what is and isn't appropriate.
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A full, independent review into the Prime Minister's links with News International and what, if any, influence they had over him must be carried out. I don't think Cameron should resign based on the information in the public domain at the moment, just acknowledge his mistakes and modify his future behaviour accordingly. I don't know what would happen if Cameron did resign, I guess the Conservatives would have to pick a new leader who would become Prime Minister and have to work with his coalition partners.