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Why are Intel's 6 cores so much more expensive than their 4 cores compared to AMD

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As far as I understand the current 6 cores from both Intel and AMD are basically processor architecture from 4 cores but with 2 added cores.

Lets take OCUK prices for example:

AMD Phenom X4 955 3.2GHz ~ £84
AMD Phenom X6 1100 3.3Ghz ~ £150

55% extra performace for 79% higher price, seems fair.

Intel Core i7 960 3.20Ghz 4 Core ~ £192
Intel Core i7 980 3.33GHz 6 Core ~ £432

55% extra performace for 125% higher price, why so expensive? Is the 6 core version that much more expensive to manufacture?

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No, it's identical to manufacture in terms of cost, or very marginally different.

There would have been an R&D premium to AMD & Intel for the hexcores, but in charging that high price, it's just market segmentation for the (former) fastest chips.
 
Your Maths is way out; £432 is only 125% higher than £192, not 225%.
One of the reasons is probably due to lack of competition, an i7-980 is faster than anything AMD have hence it carries a big premium.
 
Check out some of the benchmarks, Intel's multi-cores CPU's are a lot faster than AMD's, hence the price. I'm looking forward to BD (when it comes out).
 
This is how Intel have priced their products for as long as I can remember; you pay exponentially more money for progressively smaller performance increases.
 
Is the 6 core version that much more expensive to manufacture?

Lately it has been Intel pushing the cpu evolution forward, with big leaps.
When 980X first came into market it was the first buyers who payed the most (as always..). My guess is its not the chip itself that costs but everything else including its research etc. so there are `hidden expenses.

Also Intel uses much more money in cpu research than AMD so no wonder they want their money back. ( I´ve read somewhere that its 5 times more than AMD). If you think about it, AMD actually has been making quite nice cpus considering it is a lot smaller company.

"Intel shipped 80.5 percent of PC microprocessors worldwide during the fourth quarter, a drop from an 81.9 percent share it held in the fourth quarter of 2008. AMD's market share was 19.4 percent during the fourth quarter, increasing from 17.7 percent the previous year."

http://www.pcworld.com/article/187671/amd_takes_processor_market_share_from_intel_idc_says.html

Needles to say, Intel cpus also are more powerfull.
 
AMD's 6 core are only about as fast as Intel's 4 core, AMD don't really have anything to compete with Intel's 6 core so Intel charge an arm and a leg.
 
Indeed, especially when you consider he claimed in the same post that £140 is 65% higher than £84. So even if you were to let the 225% slide, by definition it would make his calculation of 65% wrong, under that 'methodology' it would have been "165% higher" [sic].
 
Also (and I can't believe I'm actually bothering with this), since you're comparing the Intel 3.2GHz X4 with the Intel 3.33GHz X6 chip it'd be fairer to compare the 3.2GHz X4 AMD chip (955) with the 3.3GHz X6 AMD chip (1100T).

so this makes it ~£150 for the X6 meaning that AMD's 6 core chip is ~79% more expensive than the X4.
 
Ok i know i made some calculation errors but come on you still have to pay a far higher premium for the intel 6 core compared to its 4 core counterpart part.
And this is now remember a few month ago when they still costed ~£800 compared to around ~£250 for the regular i7.
 
Well, you also have to consider the 980X is a 32nm chip where as the 960 is a 45nm chip (not totally sure why that's better).
And the 980X was (and still is) one of the best CPUs around. The 1100T is a good value CPU but not the performance beast that the 980X is. And I think with most things the top of the range products cost more than their performance boost would suggest.

Nvidia 580 vs Nvidia 570 springs to mind as another example.
 
This is how Intel have priced their products for as long as I can remember; you pay exponentially more money for progressively smaller performance increases.

I don't see the problem myself. Seems like a smart move on their part. As long as the mid-range are reasonably priced, they can charge what they like for the "premium" products.

It's down to us as consumers to decide what's good value for money and what isn't.
 
Well, you also have to consider the 980X is a 32nm chip where as the 960 is a 45nm chip (not totally sure why that's better).
And the 980X was (and still is) one of the best CPUs around. The 1100T is a good value CPU but not the performance beast that the 980X is. And I think with most things the top of the range products cost more than their performance boost would suggest.

Nvidia 580 vs Nvidia 570 springs to mind as another example.

It really is as simple as that in most cases, you can have a 980x at £400 and a 990x at £450 as a natural progression or, you can price the later at £750, and simply get all the suckers who just have to have the top thing, and make massively more profit.

Anyway, the real way to compare costs is not by mixing value and top end models.

Top quad core from AMD is £130, top hex core is £150, top quad core from Intel is the 2600k at £240, top hex core from Intel is £773.

The cost isn't in manufacturing, quite simple research costs come out of overall profits, the high cost on a 990x and a 980x on launch don't represent trying to claw back R&D costs, in the slightest, they are insanely low volume and don't make the slightest dent in the R&D costs, the overall volume of the hexcore in server parts will be manitudes higher than desktop sales.

Theres simple customers willing to spend £750 on the top chip no matter how much faster it is or how much value it is, there are more "ego" buyers than those who genuinely would see the 133Mhz difference in performance, many many more. If some people will spend twice as much, simply why not price a chip there. Then even completely stupid buyers wouldn't spend £3k on that same chip just because it was faster, there is some limit on sanity but generally speaking the people who would spend 750 on a chip really won't miss £300-400 extra so Intel are happy to have it in their pockets.

In terms of cost a 32nm hexcore is 240mm2, the Nehalem chips it replaced at the top end are 45nm and 296mm2, and a Phenom X4 is 258mm2, competitively sized to 45nm Intel quad cores.

A Sandybridge quad core is 216mm2, so its actually no where near the 2/3rds the size of the hexcore you might expect(of course different architectures) but that would suggest the hexcores should be even closer in price to quad core Sandys(and performance suggests so aswell).

It will effectively cost Intel quite a bit less to produce a £773 selling price 990x, than it costs AMD to produce a £140 quad core Phenom, the consumer should work out if they want to be ripped off quite so much.
 
Intel aren't trying to be fair, its business

If they can sell their CPU's at the price they do then why would they lower their prices. They are simply after as much profit as possible.

Intel aren't trying to be-friend us. :P
 
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