Apparently he had several weapons, one of which was a handgun.
Huge explosion at the government quarters in Oslo.
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Apparently he had several weapons, one of which was a handgun.
I have a HUGE amount of time for Scandinavians and especially Norwegians as I used to live in Bergen many years ago. Really couldn't have picked a nation less deserving of these atrocities (not that anyone deserves) than them.
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The thing that gets me is, bombs are indiscriminate but the deliberate targeting of children is vile.
I know neither act is better than another it's just I find the shooting of children harder to deal with.
I know neither act is better than another it's just I find the shooting of children harder to deal with.
I did not proclaim to be a terrorism expert, just said I'd done a fair bit of research on terrorism. Can you explain to me which Al Qaeda attacks this is similar to please?
No I don't.
It's us against them.
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Targeting children - Beslan and basically any AQ attack
Using uniform of legit organisations - so many instances in Af and Iraq of perps dressed if army/police uniform.
Car bomb - again, how do you think this is unlike AQ?
Tell me how it is unlike an AQ attack? Only the fact that it is unusually carried out by a lone suspect and I am not saying it is defo AQ.
Tell us who you vote for then or are you one of the trendy commie/anarchists out there who like smashing up their own country under the guise of a legitimate protest?
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At least after WW3 the rest of the country will look like Wigan so you'll feel less skered when you venture out.
Haha! Wigan's no oil painting, but I've definately been to worse places.
According to the New York Times, terror group Ansar al-Jihad al-Alami, or the Helpers of the Global Jihad, is claiming responsibility for the bombing in Oslo.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/23/world/europe/23oslo.html?_r=1&hp
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/23/world/europe/23oslo.html?_r=1&hp
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That was carried out by Chechen militants, not AQ. Children tend to be in most public places - not exactly a hallmark of AQ.
Has also been used by Eta, Red Faction, the IRA, Mexican drug cartels, the Taliban, the Viet Cong - basically loads of armed militias over the years.
Timothy McVeigh, IRA, Hizbullah... the list is endless.
AQ tend to use multiple coordinated explosive attacks, or one explosion followed by a second larger explosion to catch first responders - this was one single explosion, with a large gap before the shootings.
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All you did was point out that others have done what AQ have in the past. That makes you think this wasn't AQ?
As for Chechnya, they have to be bundled in with AQ because of their religious links with them in their religious nationalist movement.
AQ is really a name for extremist muslims groups now.
They have used this frequently but it's not standard operating procedure by any means.
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I wonder how many Afghans/Iraqis/Arabs/etc are worth one Norwegian? 10, 100, ...?
When I hear hooves, I don't run round screaming 'ZEBRA!' until I've seen one. You seem to conflate 'some similarities in tactics' with 'same operational methods.'
No. You need to actually do some reading on Chechen rebel groups and what their aims are (national independence) vs AQ (global islamic caliphate).
Nope, AQ is a pretty small group funded primarily through Saudi Arabian channels. There are AQ spin off groups (AQM, AQI etc.) but I think what you're actually thinking of is a bunch of AQ wannabes who claim to have been inspired by AQ. This is great for AQ as it makes them look like they have a greater reach than they do, but in reality the reach of AQ is extremely limited.
They used it in Nairobi and Tanzania, 9/11, 7/7 and a lot in Iraq - and that's just off the top of my head. When you're analysing responsibility you look at motive and method - this fits neither motive nor method for me.
You clearly don't have a clue what you're talking about and think that you can somehow clump all extremist Islamist groups together. An idea perpetuated by the idiotic media coverage of this event.
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UKIP got my vote, although it was just a case of what I honestly thought was the least evil, there are still some things I do not totally agree with. You presume that I am some hellraiser despite the fact you are the one picking bones with people.
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You have no clue about Chechnya. The movement has evolved beyond nationalism. Wahabbi money and influence has poured in and Chechens fight all over for AQ including Afghanistan. Moscow has payed some remotely secular Chechen stooge to hold off the Islamists.
AQ has become a brand name used by Islamic groups - AQ in the Maghreb etc. The group and name has progressed what your 9/11 authored books tell you.[/QUOTE]
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