Amy Winehouse found dead

Castiel · 24 Jul 2011 at 00:35

Redz said:
Yes but unfortunately on leaving rehab she would have to go back to the same environment, social circle, etc which drove here to drugs in the first place.

She didn't. In fact she had the means, both financial and familial to extricate herself from those who influenced her and the environment in which she lived during her addiction.

She chose to return to that environment and social circle, it was not, as is the case of many addicts, something she could not avoid.

Wicksta · 24 Jul 2011 at 00:35

Talbs13 said:
Who cares. She was a waste of life and deserved to die after the things she was doing / taking. Harsh but true.

Deserved to die? :/

Tefal · 24 Jul 2011 at 00:37

Talbs13 said:
Who cares. She was a waste of life and deserved to die after the things she was doing / taking. Harsh but true.

why does taking drugs mean you deserve to die?

Castiel · 24 Jul 2011 at 00:38

Talbs13 said:
Who cares. She was a waste of life and deserved to die after the things she was doing / taking. Harsh but true.

She did not deserve to die, she was however the architect of her own demise.

Vonhelmet · 24 Jul 2011 at 00:39

Redz said:
Yes but unfortunately on leaving rehab she would have to go back to the same environment, social circle, etc which drove here to drugs in the first place.

She did not "have" to go back to living in the arse end of London with dodgy people around her. She could have lived anywhere she wanted to.

Morba · 24 Jul 2011 at 00:42

Couldn't give a **** about her tbh. Really don't understand all the love for her or all the twitter or facebook updates from randoms about her.

I only know one person who knew her personally (albeit from childhood), for people like her I can understand, everyone else though, meh.

Druggies die every day, in much worse life situations than hers, they get no recognition or respect..

easyrider · 24 Jul 2011 at 00:43

Castiel said:
You seriously think that a singer with two albums under her belt, and a string of failed or substandard live performances has the same relevance and influence on music as Janis Joplin, who incidentally died at the same age as Amy Winehouse having been far more prolific and influencial in a largely male dominated music industry at the time.

Amy Winehouse herself laid her own inspiration at the door of Janis Joplin.

Whether you like her music or not, Amy Winehouse was a arguably a great singer, however as I am sure time will tell, her influence on the music industry as a whole does and will forever pale in significance to that of Janis Joplin and others on that list, including Miles Davis, Ray Charles and Jimmy Page. She is frankly not even in the same league as those people in this regard.

I'm not comparing like for like or who is more worthy. She is just as relevant regardless.

easyrider · 24 Jul 2011 at 00:45

Morba said:
Druggies die every day, in much worse life situations than hers, they get no recognition or respect..

Its all relative.

easyrider · 24 Jul 2011 at 00:46

nonhelmet said:
She did not "have" to go back to living in the arse end of London with dodgy people around her. She could have lived anywhere she wanted to.

Indeed. But she would have still been an addict.

Redz · 24 Jul 2011 at 00:46

nonhelmet said:
She did not "have" to go back to living in the arse end of London with dodgy people around her. She could have lived anywhere she wanted to.

Yes, but that would have made it a little harder to score.

At the end of the day me, you and everyone else here don't know what demons were driving her to make here seek escape in drugs and alcohol so we shouldn't really judge.

Tefal · 24 Jul 2011 at 00:51

placeholder said:
Absolute ****e!

Err nope, physical dependency exists.

For example with alcohol it suppresses your nervous system so your body compensates by "turning it up" and producing far stronger signals when you remove the alcohol the high levels of transmitters which aren't an issue when they're suppressed by alcohol cause twitching and shaking and all sort of other effects and can (and do) result in death.

it's why alcoholics are weaned off or put on benzos etc to control the withdrawal.

Morba · 24 Jul 2011 at 00:55

easyrider said:
Its all relative.

That's a bull**** reply. Give it some substance maybe....

Danthus · 24 Jul 2011 at 00:57

Why does it have to be demons that drove her to drugs, how do we know she didn't just take them because she enjoyed it?

She was responsible for her own actions.

YoungOzzy · 24 Jul 2011 at 00:59

If she get cremated, wonder how much a gram is

zorrofox · 24 Jul 2011 at 01:00

I think Back to Black is a tremendous album and one that wouldn't have been realized if she'd been whiter than white. My thought go to her family.

Just sayin'

Castiel · 24 Jul 2011 at 01:01

easyrider said:
I'm not comparing like for like or who is more worthy. She is just as relevant regardless.

She was relevant, she is no longer. That is (albeit sadly I suppose from the POV of those who liked her) the difference between Amy Winehouse and those from your list I mentioned. Her relevance will not live long after her passing, if it has even lived that long given her public self destruction.

Her longevity with regard to the amount of influence and relevance she has is largely been supplanted by artists such as Lady Gaga who while admittedly influenced to a degree by Amy Winehouse, exceed her contribution to the industry, both artistically and professionally.

Dabbles · 24 Jul 2011 at 01:01

I don't mean this in a disrespectful way, but it's about time. I don't care for celebrity politics, but this horse has been flogged for a very long time. I suspect Pete Doherty is next.

Vonhelmet · 24 Jul 2011 at 01:01

easyrider said:
Indeed. But she would have still been an addict.

Absolutely, and an addict with any intention of changing their ways would change their circumstances. They'd cut out circles of friends that are a bad influence, avoid the relevant places, change their habits... Did she do those things? I'm honestly not sure, but it would appear not.

easyrider · 24 Jul 2011 at 01:08

Morba said:
That's a bull**** reply. Give it some substance maybe....

I suppose it depends on what they did?

If they robbed from mum or burgled houses to feed their addiction then they could well get some respect from the circle of people they hang and use with.

If they won 5 grammys sold millions of records and ordinary people enjoyed their music then they would get respect from the fans

Its all relative. Get it now?

Good

Efour · 24 Jul 2011 at 01:09

Oh well famous junkie died.. Dont really care, she had her 5 mins of fame years ago when people liked that flashback retro 1940s whine drivel, whatever it was ment to be.

You chase the puff dragon, you get smack on the nose: Zammo 1985. RIP